[3] Black Girls and K-Dramas feat. Black Girl Seoul

In this episode of Culture by Culture, Delia speaks w/ hosts of Black Girl Seoul, Something Else and Song Rae. We talk navigating K-drama fandom as Black folk, what we hope to see from fandom & industry, NCT, and of course Asian dramas. What is your favorite drama?

 

Recs: Age Harassment (J-drama) Extraordinary Attorney Woo (K-drama), The Glory (K-drama), Search: WWW (K-drama), Meet Yourself (C-drama)

 

Find transcriptions for episodes here!

 

Also in the ep.:

 

• Boys Over Flowers

• J-dramas: Cool Doji Danshi

• K-dramas: Backstreet Rookie (and controversy), Family: The Unbreakable Bond, Fated to Love You, Itaewon Class, Penthouse, So Not Worth It, Start-Up, Webdramas

• K-pop: “On the Street (w. J Cole)” – J-Hope, NCT, New Jeans, “Slow (with Ciara)” – Jackson Wang, Yuta

• K-pop industry doc.

• Famous folk: Babyface, Backstreet Boys, Chris Lyons, Ciara, Han Hyun Min, J. Cole, NSYNC, Sam Kim

• Video game: Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom

• Appropriation

• Disney Plus

• One Mic History (Korean Fried Chicken video)

 

Guest:

 

This ep. features Something Else and Song Rae of the pod & blog Black Girl Seoul! Find them here:

• Site | Podcast | Instagram | Twitter

 

Find us online: Site | Patreon | Instagram | Twitter

 

Credits

 

• Host, Exec. Prod., Editor, Engineer: Delia

  Personal Twitter | Personal Instagram | Personal Site

 

About Culture by Culture

 

Culture by Culture is a multidimensional podcast exploration into Black and Asian pop-cultural ties. Part sociology, history, and pop-culture podcast, it covers everything from deep-dives into our favorite gateway media, interviews with experts to help guide us through our historical and current cultural connections, and conversations with fellow nerds digging into our cultural identities and pop-cultural interests.

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Hey there, welcome to Culture by Culture, a multi-dimensional exploration of Black and

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Asian pop cultural ties.

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I’m your female lead, Delia.

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Today I’m joined by the host of Black Girl Soul, Song Rae, and Something Else.

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Hi, y’all.

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Hi, how are you doing?

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I’m doing great.

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I’m so excited to have y’all.

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Excited to be here.

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Excited to be here.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Would you like to introduce yourselves?

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You can tell us your names, what y’all are into.

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I am Something Else from Black Girl Soul, one half of the host group.

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I’m Song Rae, the other half of Black Girl Soul.

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Aside from that as well, we are a podcast that talks about dramas and we blog and podcast

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about them.

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The varying dramas in Korean, Thai, Japanese, Chinese, we watch them all.

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As well as I’ve become a new K-pop fan and so like my journey into K-pop has been quite

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interesting.

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Oh my gosh.

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That’s a whole story by itself.

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I like music, but when I say she has taken it to another level, I’m like, I’m watching

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and cheering her on, but it also tickles me because she wasn’t like this when she was

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a teenager.

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I remember her like, I remember her as a teenager.

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I mean, she liked groups, but I remember her geeking out.

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Look, K-pop will do it to you.

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It is, it’s deep.

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The river runs real deep.

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It does.

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Oh gosh.

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So I don’t know how many of my listeners have listened to your podcast, but if y’all go

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check out their socials, I feel like when I look at y’all socials, y’all are prolific.

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I do not know how y’all watch as much dramas as y’all do.

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My watch list is so long and I stay watching them.

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I stay consistent, but y’all will be turning them out.

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I love Song Rae because she doesn’t even watch American television anymore.

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I still watch like a couple of shows.

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I try to keep up, but I’m in a weird lull right now because I don’t know what’s going

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on with the season or the shows.

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I’m almost reaching back in time to like catch maybe episodes I never saw, but are a series

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that I never saw.

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But Song Rae is like, what, 15 shows a week?

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Like what is it, chick?

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It is not that bad, but I am going to say for myself, this is how, when she made the

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joke about me not watching American TV, I was doing, I can’t remember what I was watching.

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It had to probably be YouTube for the commercials to pop up.

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Y’all, the commercials were not in English.

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And I was like, really?

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You all don’t think I’m an American?

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Like what is this?

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Why am I getting these commercials?

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I can’t even buy this stuff.

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It made me laugh.

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I was like, okay, the algorithm doesn’t realize I’m an American.

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But moving on.

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Yes, I pretty much do not watch any American television aside from the news in the morning.

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I do variety shows.

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I do dramas.

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And again, my K-pop stuff, which has begun taking over.

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But I’m also agreeing with something else that right now it is a weird place for dramas

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because I haven’t found anything that have drawn me in.

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So I have been like digging into the vaults and finding old dramas to watch that I’ve

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heard about old classics.

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People might say, oh, you’ve never seen this?

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You should check that out.

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So yeah, I don’t know how I do it.

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I just, that’s me.

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Yeah, I have also been kind of in a lull.

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I’ve been just coming out of it, which is terrible timing starting a podcast while you’re

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also trying to binge K-dramas.

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I don’t recommend.

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But yeah, I was in a lull for a while.

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I think that happens for drama fans or maybe not even just drama fans.

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I’m sure the anime fans, video game fans, they all have lulls that they go through.

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And like for a little bit, it got me to thinking, am I a K-drama fan?

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Do I have to rethink the whole podcast?

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Like what is going on with me?

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But yeah, no, I’ve been coming out of it.

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So that’s been real, real nice.

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So you said y’all have known each other for a long time since high school.

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So my question is how long have y’all been drama fans?

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For me, it’s been since 2008.

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Something else is who introduced me.

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I was having a situation in my life and she, it was a great distraction.

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oddest places to catch them.

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Like at that time they had just started doing those boxes where you had to have to watch

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TV if you didn’t want to have cable.

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Right, right, right.

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And I started finding dramas on there with English subs.

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So yeah, it really, I know, right?

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Well, in the early years, you couldn’t really depend on the early years.

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Like, oh, back in the day.

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No, but I started watching a little bit before then, maybe 2007 or something like that.

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And there was this channel called AZN television.

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I had been watching foreign films forever because my father was Nigerian.

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And so I already knew to kind of have a respect and a sensitivity to other cultures.

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I wasn’t afraid of subtitles in order to understand what someone was saying.

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It was more important for me to like see and understand their experience or get some kind

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of gauge of their culture and the people and how they thought.

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So I was already open to it.

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And I was just watching foreign films on Netflix.

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And then all of a sudden I’m flipping through channels one day and I’m like, there’s an

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AZN television?

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And I wasn’t even like particularly interested in East Asian.

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I mean, I was just like, okay, you’re Asian, respect, peace out.

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Like I didn’t care.

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But the stories got me.

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That’s what drew me in.

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And typically that’s what I hear.

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Like the stories are addictive.

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And even anime, like did I read a comic book here and there?

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I watched anime only because shows like Voltron existed.

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And someone told me, oh, technically that’s anime somehow.

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I was like, oh, for real?

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Okay, I like that.

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So it was like by accident now I’m open to anime a little bit more, but I’m not like

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die hard, right?

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I’m one of those spies versus family fans.

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I’m that kind of anime watcher if that even counts.

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Oh, for sure it counts.

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You well know some people are Dragon Ball hard.

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Listen, I do not even claim in the street because they are hardcore.

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They are more hardcore than the K-drama.

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Like K-drama, you expect people to be new.

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And if they say something like, oh, okay, my first drama was on Netflix.

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I’m not going to look down on them because AZN television is gone.

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Like it showed up as a channel.

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It existed for maybe a couple of years and it disappeared.

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If maybe you were very young or something like that, you went, oh, okay, I remember

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drama fever.

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It existed for a while.

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It disappeared.

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Listen, don’t cry.

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Don’t cry any tears.

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So you get used to these outlets existing and disappearing.

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That’s what we got used to.

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So by the time we got Vicky, I was jaded.

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I was like, you know, mad at the streets.

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I was like, you all are not consistent for me.

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I think that I have so much respect for people in this space, which is also partly why I

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was so excited to talk to y’all who have been drama watchers for so long because it was

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rough out here.

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I remember how I originally got into dramas was 2019.

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So I’m very new to the space and it was Netflix.

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I thought I was watching a foreign film and then they were like next episode and I was

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like, pardon?

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There’s more?

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Oh, okay.

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But before that, I remember it had to be like 2010.

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I had a friend who was really into K-dramas and she was really pushing me to watch them.

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She’s like, you’d like them, but it was rough in the streets.

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I was like, I’m not going to try and get into this because I’ve always been into anime.

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So I knew what it was like to have access to things.

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In K-dramas, you just didn’t have the access like that back then.

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I was not trying to struggle like that.

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So when I hear people who got into it early, I’m always like, dang, that’s wild.

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Yes.

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To the point where this chick used to get DVDs emailed or mailed to her and would bring

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them by and we would watch the DVDs.

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That is the old school anime days.

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Originally anime in like the 80s, they had fans who would translate it, sub it, and then

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you could order them and they would mail DVDs.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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That’s much respect.

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Right.

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Right.

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That’s a total fan service.

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Exactly.

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It couldn’t be me, especially now, now that we live in the streaming age, you can’t go

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back.

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No, everything.

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That’s how come I am so frustrated with Dog on Disney Plus.

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Like I’m mad all over.

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Please, let’s get into it.

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Oh boy.

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Because there’s a drama I want to watch.

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I can’t watch because guess who has it and guess where they’re only releasing it.

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And I’m going, why are we playing this game?

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It’s 2023.

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That is what I’m saying.

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That I want it.

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What was it?

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Soundtrack 101, I think, or something like that with Park Hyun-ki.

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Soundtrack number one.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I wanted to, he’s one of my favorites.

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I was so desperate to watch it and it took like a year.

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Oh, I was so mad.

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I’m still mad about it.

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Like I’ve seen it now, but I’m still mad about it.

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Yeah, I went rogue and just went on over to Drama Cool, got a VPN because I was like,

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screw this.

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I want to see this.

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I want to see it was like two other ones at the time.

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I’m watching them.

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Sorry.

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That’s what you got to do sometimes.

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Disney plays too many games and honestly they’ve got enough money.

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They don’t need it from me.

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And I understand.

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I truly don’t understand because right now Family is out.

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I think it’s called Family.

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That is a drama I was highly looking forward to.

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The two of them were in a drama before.

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I was looking forward to this.

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I was excited.

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It kept coming.

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No one had any.

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Where’s it going to be?

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Where’s it going to be in?

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Oh, I said Disney Plus.

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They said they were worldwide streaming.

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I’m like, y’all, I don’t know about this.

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It sounded like a game.

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We got to it released on Friday.

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No, there’s there’s no word for us to watch.

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Are you serious?

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I didn’t know it was out.

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Listen, I was.

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Yes, listen, it took me a while to get to the Korean version of Faded to Love You.

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But I did.

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And when I said to love you.

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Right.

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And when I fell in love with Faded to Love You, I was like, if I ever see them as a couple

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again and you’re telling me I can’t watch it.

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Disney’s playing big games again.

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But you know, like I feel some gray on what she’s talking about regarding Disney.

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But for me, it’s more about Japanese dramas are not delivering as far as subtitles.

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You don’t see them on Viki.

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And I guess a sketch site, you’re in trouble.

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So that’s my pee.

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And I’m gonna agree with you 110% right now because I am a new fan of NCT.

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You too is a Japanese member.

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He’s in a drama.

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Okay.

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And so I’m like, oh yeah, I want to find the drama.

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Japanese drama?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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It’s cool.

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I’m like, be cool guys or something like that is the American translation.

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But any which way I’m in the streets trying to figure out how I’m gonna watch this drama.

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How I’m gonna watch the drama.

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And yeah, no, it took a fan going, check this site out.

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Okay, I click it and there it is with English subtitles.

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No problem.

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But then episode two, I’m like, well, where’s episode two?

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How come on this site, this same site, I cannot find episode two.

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I’m digging around.

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I was about to say, I’m surprised that NCTzens didn’t get you together because like they

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have they have fans.

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They’d be passing around driveways, dropbox, you name it.

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They will find a way.

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Respect.

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That’s one of the reasons why we wanted to go on and just have podcasts instead of just

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talking among ourselves or trying to indoctrinate our friends because we yeah, that’s a nice

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way of saying we were trying to get them hooked anyway.

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But it was because we were looking for community because we’re looking for other people who

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are watching what we’re watching, wanting to talk about the same shows we’re talking

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about as passionate.

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Right.

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So we were confused, like, what does this mean culturally?

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Oh, what are they really saying?

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What is the subtext that we could reach out and ask that question?

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And there would be others who would like reach back with answers.

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It’s been very welcoming.

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Truly it has.

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What has been your experience?

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That’s what I was going to actually ask you all next what that’s been like.

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I have struggled to find community in KDrama.

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Not like there are friends I have IRL who watch them to different levels, but like the

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broader community.

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It’s been hard.

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It feels like KDramas are so popular and yet still kind of niche.

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I know, right?

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Like once you get in, it’s like, oh, wow, look at all these people here.

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But getting in is the hard part.

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I started just like a side Twitter to try and like engage with people.

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And I will say people were very friendly over there.

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Again, I didn’t engage with that many people.

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It’s a very small account.

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You can go follow it if you all want.

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At Drama Digest, I think Drama Underscore Digest, something like that.

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People are very friendly over there.

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And it just feels like a fandom where everybody’s there to have a good time.

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I will say, though, again, I’m coming to KDramas more recently than say like y’all or other

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OGs who were out here in the streets just like buying DVDs.

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So I do think about the representation of it all and seeing some of the fandom, how

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they react to certain things in dramas is difficult.

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I don’t.

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It’s the same in K-pop, like wanting to defend your faves, even though your faves are doing

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something wrong.

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Like we got to talk about it.

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So that part’s been hard, I think.

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What’s y’all’s experience been like, you know, being black women in the, I guess, drama fandom

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space, especially back then?

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I wonder, was it different back in the beginning?

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Has it changed?

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Now see, back then, because that’s what I’m about to speak on for me, back when we first

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started, it was just me and her.

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We didn’t really delve off into social media to start talking.

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I think the pandemic is really what put us in a space where we were able to, oh, did

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you see this account?

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They’re talking about K-dramas.

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Did you see this account?

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They’re talking about K-dramas.

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And then we sat down and thought, hey, well, why don’t we, this way we can go and build

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community, meet some people, find other folks who are like us, who are interested in dramas.

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And we did.

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Like once we stepped out there and said, hey, here’s who we are and what we’re trying to

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do, we found other people who were willing to come back and go, oh, I’m over here.

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I’ve been watching dramas for years too.

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And you know, or I just started watching dramas or whatever.

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And we were able to commune and meet that way.

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But in the beginning, no, truly it was just us.

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And like she said, the indoctrination of folks who sometimes willingly came and sometimes

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kicking and screaming came.

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I kind of feel like it’s just a representation of just regular life.

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Because there are those friends and those people who anything can happen and they are

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going to find a way to make an excuse or excuse behaviors that should not be in the same applies

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in this with K-drama and K-pop.

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Where there are things that are happening, you’re like, no, that’s wrong.

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I don’t care what you say at the end of the day, that’s out of order.

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And it’s okay to say something’s out of order and then keep moving from that.

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Now, are they going to grow from this or are we going to keep acting like it’s all right

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and keep repeating the same wrongs?

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So that space has been difficult.

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So we had a whole podcast about a situation from a drama that we found offensive.

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We spoke about it being offensive and oh, the kickback, people blocked us.

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Oh, it was hilarious.

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And I’m thinking goodbye.

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Because at the end of the day, if this sets you off to that degree, you know, you weren’t

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meant to be part of this anyway.

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We’re here saying, this is our experience.

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This is how we feel.

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And yes, I hear what you’re telling us about them being homogenous.

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But at the end of the day, at this point, we can’t keep making that be the excuse because

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there’s plenty of other people over there.

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There are lots of folks traveling, exploring and out there making themselves known and

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sharing their experiences.

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So no, that can’t keep being our reasoning.

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It’s harder, I feel like, to deal with K-drama and K-pop stands specifically because they’re

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just so passionate because the industry does, you know, encourage kind of like that parasocial

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relationship versus say, anime or Lord of the Rings or, you know, something that it

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doesn’t have quite that same fervor, I would say.

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Like if I were to call out something in a Marvel movie, a lot of people are going to

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agree with me and the people who don’t agree with me.

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I mean, the online space is the online space.

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There’s going to be disagreements, but it’s not that serious.

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People don’t take it personal.

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But I feel like it’s much harder in these spaces because they want to excuse their faves

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so badly because they feel like they have this personal relationship with their fave.

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That’s the excuse that always comes up like, but they’re a homogenous country.

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They don’t know better.

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First of all, I find that to be pretty like infantilizing their adults.

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They know what they’re doing and they’ve made choices.

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And second of all, there is a line, I think, between asking people to be better in a different

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culture to be, especially if they’re trying to reach out across their cultural lines,

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like something else was saying, like that’s very purposeful on the government’s part.

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So yes, I think it’s fine to ask them to be better.

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But there is a fine line between that and cultural imperialism where, you know, we’re

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like Western ideals are the ideals and the only ones that matter.

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So I do think there is that line.

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But the line isn’t saying, hey, that portrayal of that character on Backstreet Rookie sucked.

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So let’s not do that.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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And you know, one of the things we’ve learned as we’ve kind of jumped into community is

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that we get all kinds of information back.

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And so the great thing about Clubhouse is that it did tap us into a whole group of folks

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and some of them were academics who wanted to talk about these issues.

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And so we learned during a talk, this guy, I think he was like a South Korean, either

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a sociologist or some kind of doctor, but he’d written a book.

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I was buying groceries listening to them talk.

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But basically he said this whole excuse about being homogeneous is false because they had

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a history of anti-blackness well before now.

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Right?

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This is, Africans and people of color and black people were not a new concept for them.

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And he went back and pulled the newspaper clippings and the history that basically said

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at different times, hey, we may be down right now, like in one of their clippings, but at

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least we’re not black, at least we’re not African.

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And that wasn’t everyone, of course, but like they had a concept of Africa and Africans

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and then not wanting to be that.

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And this idea that they were so disassociated with the rest of the world that they didn’t

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know, like they’ve always had that history of the other, not even that has to always

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be anti-black, but the other.

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And I’m like, if you’re just over on your lonesome and you don’t know any better, I

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could let that go, but you’re trying to make money off of us.

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You’re reaching out into the world saying, Hey, can I have a dollar?

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So I’m like, can I have some reciprocity?

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Can I have some understanding?

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You don’t have to get everything.

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You don’t have to know our slang.

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I mean, it’s crazy because they may know our slang before they understand our point of

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view.

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So I’m like, can you just not do something as bad as Backstreet Rookie?

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Like we have low standards.

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I’m at that point.

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Don’t even mention black folks.

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Yes.

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Is a lot of K-pop based on black R&B?

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Yeah.

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Right.

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But let’s ignore that.

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Cause you all are too.

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Just do your thing.

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Don’t mention us.

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That’s where I come from.

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I mean, someone may want to see black representation more, you know, a J. Cole situation.

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Cause I saw that J. Cole and whomever the dude was, I don’t even know who he was.

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A BTS member.

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But let me just say that was a cool video.

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I liked that video.

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I was happy to see J. Cole.

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I was about to say, Sierra just did one with Jackson Wayne, the song released, I think

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three or four days ago, not too long.

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Song is nice.

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The song is very, very nice.

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But again, like I’m not pressed about, I like it.

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And I think that there are artists who are open to being mindful of the concept that

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emulating, liking a sound, things like that does not mean me trying to take it on and

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putting it on as a costume.

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Cause that’s where I think my issue comes in.

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I’m not a costume, how I dress, what I look like, my hair, my sound, those are not costumes.

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So if you’re putting a costume on, I have an issue with you.

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If you are simply appreciating and your appreciation flows into what you do, I’m cool with that.

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But when you start purposefully having stylists, like I literally watched the old video the

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other day and I’m like, somebody bought weave and put that in that man’s head.

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Why?

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Why?

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What was the point?

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Or I look at your clothes and I know for a fact, the stylist bought those for you because

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they’re giving you this urban and you call it hip hop, but like,

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Well, okay.

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So then I’m going to flip on the other side because I’m hypocritical that way.

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I remember pictures of NSYNC where, and Backstreet Boys,

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I felt the same way then too.

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Right.

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Where they did that kind of stuff.

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Yours not excluded.

450
00:20:31,360 –> 00:20:32,360
They did.

451
00:20:32,360 –> 00:20:33,360
They did.

452
00:20:33,360 –> 00:20:40,520
So it’s like, I allow for a learning curve, just not so steep that you give us blackface.

453
00:20:40,520 –> 00:20:41,520
Continual.

454
00:20:41,520 –> 00:20:42,520
Literal blackface.

455
00:20:42,520 –> 00:20:46,280
And that’s all I’m saying is that the problem that I have is that we are talking recent

456
00:20:46,280 –> 00:20:47,280
years.

457
00:20:47,280 –> 00:20:48,760
We’re not talking 10 years ago.

458
00:20:48,760 –> 00:20:51,140
We’re talking within the past five.

459
00:20:51,140 –> 00:20:54,040
Just when I’m saying to you, you’re like, the country’s not that big.

460
00:20:54,040 –> 00:20:58,400
The industry that you all are working in is not that big because people begin to know

461
00:20:58,400 –> 00:20:59,400
people.

462
00:20:59,400 –> 00:21:03,560
If I work in the field of economics and I’m over here doing this certain job, I began

463
00:21:03,560 –> 00:21:05,160
to know people in my field.

464
00:21:05,160 –> 00:21:06,820
The same applies in music.

465
00:21:06,820 –> 00:21:09,960
If I’m a stylist who works with musicians, I began to know other stylists.

466
00:21:09,960 –> 00:21:14,600
And so you learn, you should, let me just say that you should learn there are certain

467
00:21:14,600 –> 00:21:16,640
things you shouldn’t be doing or suggesting.

468
00:21:16,640 –> 00:21:20,000
Plus you all are interacting from that whole video.

469
00:21:20,000 –> 00:21:22,720
There’s a video that’s on Vicky, what’s it called?

470
00:21:22,720 –> 00:21:26,800
K-pop something where they talk about the history of K-pop and how it became so big.

471
00:21:26,800 –> 00:21:28,720
And they like went into varying areas.

472
00:21:28,720 –> 00:21:29,800
Did either of you all watch that?

473
00:21:29,800 –> 00:21:30,800
I did not watch it.

474
00:21:30,800 –> 00:21:31,800
Okay.

475
00:21:31,800 –> 00:21:34,240
Well, whatever this show is called, I can’t think of it right at this second, but whatever

476
00:21:34,240 –> 00:21:38,800
the show is called, they had a section where they had talked about how they, the K-pop

477
00:21:38,800 –> 00:21:39,940
industry.

478
00:21:39,940 –> 00:21:44,360
So it’s not like one company versus another, but the industry itself has been pulling people

479
00:21:44,360 –> 00:21:49,000
from other countries to come help them, you know, give them this worldly sound, which

480
00:21:49,000 –> 00:21:51,400
great, you’re pulling people who are authentic.

481
00:21:51,400 –> 00:21:52,400
So great.

482
00:21:52,400 –> 00:21:53,400
That’s fine.

483
00:21:53,400 –> 00:21:56,520
You’re telling me they’re coming over and nobody is stopping to say, Hey, yeah, you

484
00:21:56,520 –> 00:21:57,520
probably shouldn’t say that.

485
00:21:57,520 –> 00:22:00,080
Or, Hey, hey, yeah, you probably shouldn’t, nobody saying anything.

486
00:22:00,080 –> 00:22:02,160
We’re all just, okay, clapping it up.

487
00:22:02,160 –> 00:22:03,160
No.

488
00:22:03,160 –> 00:22:04,160
Okay.

489
00:22:04,160 –> 00:22:05,160
I’m going to be real, real with you.

490
00:22:05,160 –> 00:22:06,160
They’re sell outs.

491
00:22:06,160 –> 00:22:07,160
Let me just keep it up.

492
00:22:07,160 –> 00:22:08,160
I don’t think that.

493
00:22:08,160 –> 00:22:09,160
I don’t think everybody is.

494
00:22:09,160 –> 00:22:13,240
I don’t say every single body is, but even in America, when you look at how stuff hits

495
00:22:13,240 –> 00:22:16,960
the airwaves or whatever, and you’re like, how did this happen?

496
00:22:16,960 –> 00:22:20,160
And it’s because you had a whole bunch of people working for a job and they knew it

497
00:22:20,160 –> 00:22:24,800
was dirty, but they shut their mouths because they were getting their check.

498
00:22:24,800 –> 00:22:30,200
And so they didn’t feel comfortable saying this isn’t right or like pointing it out.

499
00:22:30,200 –> 00:22:37,720
You’re like, okay, so three or four levels, this thing went through this video, this newspaper,

500
00:22:37,720 –> 00:22:44,800
this anything, you know, newspaper article, anything went through and nobody said, Hey,

501
00:22:44,800 –> 00:22:47,080
the emperor is wearing no clothing.

502
00:22:47,080 –> 00:22:48,720
It’s because they’re getting their checks.

503
00:22:48,720 –> 00:22:52,680
And I hate to use the term sell out, like just be hardcore with it, but they’re selling

504
00:22:52,680 –> 00:22:53,680
out.

505
00:22:53,680 –> 00:22:54,680
That’s what’s happening.

506
00:22:54,680 –> 00:22:58,880
I agree that I personally think that that’s probably the case for some situations.

507
00:22:58,880 –> 00:23:00,480
I just don’t think that’s all.

508
00:23:00,480 –> 00:23:02,080
Delia, what do you think?

509
00:23:02,080 –> 00:23:06,560
Because I wonder your opinion too, because I see you flowing in K-pop as well, right?

510
00:23:06,560 –> 00:23:10,160
Yeah, yeah, I definitely, again, I wouldn’t say I’m like a super K-pop fan.

511
00:23:10,160 –> 00:23:13,720
I try and keep the balance, you know, like I try not to lose myself to it.

512
00:23:13,720 –> 00:23:17,000
I have lost myself to it a few times, but you got to pull yourself out.

513
00:23:17,000 –> 00:23:18,460
Yeah, it’s give and take.

514
00:23:18,460 –> 00:23:21,040
It’s really hard to do it in moderation, I will say.

515
00:23:21,040 –> 00:23:27,640
My thoughts on the K-pop of it all and I guess representation in K-media in general is that

516
00:23:27,640 –> 00:23:29,560
they’re reaching out across the globe, right?

517
00:23:29,560 –> 00:23:33,360
They want at least I’m not going to say the artist so much, but at least the companies

518
00:23:33,360 –> 00:23:36,760
want their foothold in America in the West.

519
00:23:36,760 –> 00:23:42,200
So to me, then you need to do the work and making sure your artists, your product, all

520
00:23:42,200 –> 00:23:44,320
of it is coming from a globalized mindset.

521
00:23:44,320 –> 00:23:48,760
Like your country can be homogenous and I do also take issue with that argument because

522
00:23:48,760 –> 00:23:51,760
there are multicultural people they don’t get accounted for and they don’t get resources

523
00:23:51,760 –> 00:23:55,040
like they need in places like Korea, but there are black people, there are Indian people,

524
00:23:55,040 –> 00:23:59,520
like there are people of other races in Korea, even if like they’re a small percentage, they

525
00:23:59,520 –> 00:24:00,760
are still there.

526
00:24:00,760 –> 00:24:04,160
I think it’s incumbent upon the companies to step up and do that.

527
00:24:04,160 –> 00:24:08,160
And so I feel like as fans, I think it makes sense to ask for it.

528
00:24:08,160 –> 00:24:11,800
I think when it comes to individuals, so you’re talking about like the artists and stuff,

529
00:24:11,800 –> 00:24:14,560
and this is not me just being a stan, like protect the babies.

530
00:24:14,560 –> 00:24:18,520
Like they can learn, they’re adults and they should learn, but I don’t think we need to

531
00:24:18,520 –> 00:24:23,200
approach them with like the vitriol because I do think on the individual level, there

532
00:24:23,200 –> 00:24:24,240
is a lot of ignorance.

533
00:24:24,240 –> 00:24:27,880
I can have sympathy for ignorance because like we all have not always known what we

534
00:24:27,880 –> 00:24:28,880
knew, you know?

535
00:24:28,880 –> 00:24:31,800
So I think there needs to be space for individuals to learn.

536
00:24:31,800 –> 00:24:34,520
But when it comes to the companies, yeah, no, F them, they need to do better.

537
00:24:34,520 –> 00:24:38,160
They have the resources, they have the tools, they’ve been interacting on an international

538
00:24:38,160 –> 00:24:39,800
level for a long time.

539
00:24:39,800 –> 00:24:41,800
There’s really no excuses as far as that’s concerned.

540
00:24:41,800 –> 00:24:46,440
As far as I don’t know if I would call it selling out as much, but I do think that these

541
00:24:46,440 –> 00:24:47,800
are big opportunities, right?

542
00:24:47,800 –> 00:24:53,120
For artists in America, like there’s good pay, you get a really supportive fan base,

543
00:24:53,120 –> 00:24:56,800
like off jump because you know, K-pop fans, anybody who supports their faves, they’re

544
00:24:56,800 –> 00:24:58,380
also going to support.

545
00:24:58,380 –> 00:25:02,400
So I can understand it because it’s a whole new market.

546
00:25:02,400 –> 00:25:03,800
It’s really accessible.

547
00:25:03,800 –> 00:25:08,320
And honestly, what are you the one American writer going to say to the big behemoth like

548
00:25:08,320 –> 00:25:12,480
SM or high media, like it’s not going to go far.

549
00:25:12,480 –> 00:25:20,240
So I’m sure babyface is making music somewhere, but he’s not, I would love to know.

550
00:25:20,240 –> 00:25:21,360
I’ve actually had that thought.

551
00:25:21,360 –> 00:25:23,600
I’m like, you know, babyface got to be in K-pop.

552
00:25:23,600 –> 00:25:28,760
Like, you know, quietly writing, yes, writing and producing.

553
00:25:28,760 –> 00:25:29,760
That would be interesting.

554
00:25:29,760 –> 00:25:31,600
I mean, I would listen to that stuff.

555
00:25:31,600 –> 00:25:36,160
Well, I mean, again, as we’ve expressed, they’re pulling a lot of their sounds from

556
00:25:36,160 –> 00:25:38,360
90s music.

557
00:25:38,360 –> 00:25:43,480
There was a clip that went viral of, I can’t, I think it might’ve been new jeans.

558
00:25:43,480 –> 00:25:47,720
I might be wrong, but they were talking about how the music that they like is like 90s R&B

559
00:25:47,720 –> 00:25:48,720
like girl groups.

560
00:25:48,720 –> 00:25:51,320
Like they were talking about TLC and in Vogue.

561
00:25:51,320 –> 00:25:58,200
Yeah, my fave in NCT, he does these LP things where he was on this show and he just spun

562
00:25:58,200 –> 00:25:59,580
some of his favorite records.

563
00:25:59,580 –> 00:26:01,880
The very first record he played was El DeBarge.

564
00:26:01,880 –> 00:26:02,880
I like it.

565
00:26:02,880 –> 00:26:05,200
I was like, wow, really?

566
00:26:05,200 –> 00:26:06,200
It was funny to me.

567
00:26:06,200 –> 00:26:08,040
And a lot of the stuff that he played was all black music.

568
00:26:08,040 –> 00:26:12,000
It was only one song by like, I think a 70s artist.

569
00:26:12,000 –> 00:26:15,760
I can’t think of what song it was, but everything else was yeah, black old school music and

570
00:26:15,760 –> 00:26:17,760
not except for Frank Ocean.

571
00:26:17,760 –> 00:26:19,320
But yeah, I was like, wow.

572
00:26:19,320 –> 00:26:21,040
I guess that leads me to the question.

573
00:26:21,040 –> 00:26:26,160
Like, what is the line for y’all both as fans, like going into a culture and for this culture

574
00:26:26,160 –> 00:26:29,400
who’s creating media for, you know, a global audience?

575
00:26:29,400 –> 00:26:32,400
Like what is the line between appreciation and appropriation?

576
00:26:32,400 –> 00:26:38,120
I guess I’m back to where I started because like for me again, I’m fine because I appreciate

577
00:26:38,120 –> 00:26:39,120
other cultures.

578
00:26:39,120 –> 00:26:40,680
I don’t mind listening to the music.

579
00:26:40,680 –> 00:26:43,100
I don’t mind, you know, watching the shows.

580
00:26:43,100 –> 00:26:49,280
But now if you catch me out in the street with a straight black wig on and I’m talking

581
00:26:49,280 –> 00:26:52,520
in a certain manner or doing certain things, I’ve crossed the line.

582
00:26:52,520 –> 00:26:54,640
That’s over the top and that’s out of order.

583
00:26:54,640 –> 00:26:56,360
It’s not appreciation at that point.

584
00:26:56,360 –> 00:26:57,480
And I feel the same for them.

585
00:26:57,480 –> 00:27:02,000
I feel like when you start putting cultures, because I’m not even just going to say black,

586
00:27:02,000 –> 00:27:06,440
I’ve seen them do others, Indians and you know, other cultures, when you start putting

587
00:27:06,440 –> 00:27:13,280
on the costumes and the things and the trying to change up your accent, like, yeah, you

588
00:27:13,280 –> 00:27:15,280
you’re doing too much and you’ve gone too far.

589
00:27:15,280 –> 00:27:16,280
Yeah.

590
00:27:16,280 –> 00:27:24,480
God, I forget her name, but she is a Caucasian woman who was the singer for No Doubt.

591
00:27:24,480 –> 00:27:25,920
Oh, Gwen Stefani.

592
00:27:25,920 –> 00:27:27,680
Yes, Gwen Stefani.

593
00:27:27,680 –> 00:27:28,680
She thinks she’s Japanese.

594
00:27:28,680 –> 00:27:29,680
Exactly.

595
00:27:29,680 –> 00:27:30,680
Seriously.

596
00:27:30,680 –> 00:27:32,280
Oh, that’s bad.

597
00:27:32,280 –> 00:27:33,280
Exactly.

598
00:27:33,280 –> 00:27:34,280
If you, if you.

599
00:27:34,280 –> 00:27:35,280
She’s a London ollie.

600
00:27:35,280 –> 00:27:38,280
I mean, maybe not as well.

601
00:27:38,280 –> 00:27:41,280
It’s up there.

602
00:27:41,280 –> 00:27:42,280
Wow.

603
00:27:42,280 –> 00:27:48,720
Because she is like the example for me of like something else.

604
00:27:48,720 –> 00:27:49,720
Don’t be that.

605
00:27:49,720 –> 00:27:51,720
Like she is the litmus test for me.

606
00:27:51,720 –> 00:27:53,720
She’s a canary in the mine.

607
00:27:53,720 –> 00:27:54,720
Oh, something’s wrong.

608
00:27:54,720 –> 00:27:55,720
You’re in the wrong direction.

609
00:27:55,720 –> 00:27:57,840
Pull back, pull back.

610
00:27:57,840 –> 00:28:05,720
Because I feel that if you give credit, if you say, Hey, this is my sound and these are

611
00:28:05,720 –> 00:28:07,280
my influences.

612
00:28:07,280 –> 00:28:08,600
Great.

613
00:28:08,600 –> 00:28:09,960
Because you are giving credit.

614
00:28:09,960 –> 00:28:11,960
You didn’t create that sound.

615
00:28:11,960 –> 00:28:14,760
It’s not like it sprung from you magically.

616
00:28:14,760 –> 00:28:16,560
You were influenced.

617
00:28:16,560 –> 00:28:22,040
But if you then turn around and it becomes this ugly thing, especially since sometimes

618
00:28:22,040 –> 00:28:28,860
it can be just so disrespectful and more often than not, it’s done for laughs.

619
00:28:28,860 –> 00:28:36,880
If you have to get that joke at the expense of some other culture, you’ve done it wrong.

620
00:28:36,880 –> 00:28:41,760
I mean, and I’m not talking about, you know, before somebody who’s easily confused is confused

621
00:28:41,760 –> 00:28:42,760
again.

622
00:28:42,760 –> 00:28:48,080
I’m not talking about you have a comedic character who’s just naturally funny and part of a show

623
00:28:48,080 –> 00:28:50,000
or something like that.

624
00:28:50,000 –> 00:29:00,180
I’m talking about like with Backstreet Rookie, where they had a full on character who supposedly

625
00:29:00,180 –> 00:29:07,600
had dreads, dreadlocks, and he was supposed to be dirty and flies were coming from his

626
00:29:07,600 –> 00:29:11,040
head and he was just so over the top.

627
00:29:11,040 –> 00:29:12,960
Like now he looked like a caveman.

628
00:29:12,960 –> 00:29:13,960
Exactly.

629
00:29:13,960 –> 00:29:15,560
And they darkened his skin.

630
00:29:15,560 –> 00:29:22,440
And then on top of that, they had an African guy roll through his place of employment and

631
00:29:22,440 –> 00:29:29,320
be every stereotype, you know, every fun loving, over the top stereotype.

632
00:29:29,320 –> 00:29:30,320
That’s excessive.

633
00:29:30,320 –> 00:29:34,120
All he was missing was some watermelon and chicken in the other hand.

634
00:29:34,120 –> 00:29:35,120
It was just super.

635
00:29:35,120 –> 00:29:38,960
So that’s why I’m like, if you got to do all of that, if you’re over the top, if the joke

636
00:29:38,960 –> 00:29:44,480
is based on coming for somebody else’s culture, you got it wrong.

637
00:29:44,480 –> 00:29:50,120
And like with Gwen, she doesn’t know who she is even at her age.

638
00:29:50,120 –> 00:29:52,840
And so she steals from other places.

639
00:29:52,840 –> 00:29:54,640
I think it started early.

640
00:29:54,640 –> 00:29:58,920
I think she had like this whole Indian thing she was doing early on.

641
00:29:58,920 –> 00:30:01,840
And then she went full steam.

642
00:30:01,840 –> 00:30:07,240
She like took on the sound, the clothing, everything, everything.

643
00:30:07,240 –> 00:30:13,680
And she surrounded herself with young Japanese women to be kind of her sidekicks.

644
00:30:13,680 –> 00:30:14,960
For years she did this.

645
00:30:14,960 –> 00:30:20,960
And I was like, I thought this was like you doing some form of appreciation because maybe

646
00:30:20,960 –> 00:30:25,520
you were listening to particular music, you did an album, you would give credit and you

647
00:30:25,520 –> 00:30:27,080
keep it moving.

648
00:30:27,080 –> 00:30:34,880
You know, not I’m going to like stay here and continue to fetishize these women.

649
00:30:34,880 –> 00:30:37,100
I was like, what the heck?

650
00:30:37,100 –> 00:30:38,800
So I think that’s the line for me.

651
00:30:38,800 –> 00:30:44,560
Like, I don’t know if Song Rae and I have had those kinds of conversations.

652
00:30:44,560 –> 00:30:50,000
But even with our podcast, even with what we do, I’m careful about that.

653
00:30:50,000 –> 00:30:56,720
I’m trying to see you and I’m trying to enjoy, but I’m not pretending like, I’m not trying

654
00:30:56,720 –> 00:31:00,720
to be so deep in it that it’s like, oh, this is part of my identity.

655
00:31:00,720 –> 00:31:07,880
No, I know I’m a black woman who is ingesting and enjoying someone else’s culture.

656
00:31:07,880 –> 00:31:10,160
And I’m going to give respect for that.

657
00:31:10,160 –> 00:31:14,200
But I’m not going to pretend that like that is mine at all.

658
00:31:14,200 –> 00:31:15,760
I have to draw that line.

659
00:31:15,760 –> 00:31:20,640
I think it’s really hard because people, I mean, listeners may not be fans of Kdrama

660
00:31:20,640 –> 00:31:21,640
specifically.

661
00:31:21,640 –> 00:31:23,800
They may be fans of anime, what have you.

662
00:31:23,800 –> 00:31:28,640
I think it’s really easy to get sucked in as someone who’s been a fan, you know, of

663
00:31:28,640 –> 00:31:30,680
anime since, I mean, my dad watched anime.

664
00:31:30,680 –> 00:31:31,680
So like ever.

665
00:31:31,680 –> 00:31:32,680
Oh, okay.

666
00:31:32,680 –> 00:31:33,680
So you come by it genetically.

667
00:31:33,680 –> 00:31:34,680
Oh, yeah, yeah.

668
00:31:34,680 –> 00:31:36,640
No, I come by it very honest.

669
00:31:36,640 –> 00:31:42,200
But I think what I’ve seen time and time again is when people start getting into whatever

670
00:31:42,200 –> 00:31:45,240
it may be, there’s something that’s so exciting when it’s a new culture.

671
00:31:45,240 –> 00:31:47,080
It’s not the same as getting into Marvel, right?

672
00:31:47,080 –> 00:31:51,560
Like we’re very familiar with the context in which that’s created.

673
00:31:51,560 –> 00:31:56,780
And I think the newness, because it’s new from the culture standpoint, the context standpoint,

674
00:31:56,780 –> 00:32:03,040
new types of stories, people get overzealous and want to just go all in and think that

675
00:32:03,040 –> 00:32:07,280
it’s okay to cross lines or they don’t even notice that the lines are there.

676
00:32:07,280 –> 00:32:11,520
And I always implore people, if you’re going to go all in, you need to learn about the

677
00:32:11,520 –> 00:32:12,520
context.

678
00:32:12,520 –> 00:32:16,920
Like you cannot move further, in my opinion, insofar as like asking questions like, can

679
00:32:16,920 –> 00:32:18,000
I wear Hanbok?

680
00:32:18,000 –> 00:32:19,120
Which you can.

681
00:32:19,120 –> 00:32:20,600
If you’re visiting, they encourage you to wear it.

682
00:32:20,600 –> 00:32:21,600
I’m not saying.

683
00:32:21,600 –> 00:32:22,600
Right.

684
00:32:22,600 –> 00:32:23,600
They encourage you to try it.

685
00:32:23,600 –> 00:32:24,600
So I’m not it’s maybe not the best example.

686
00:32:24,600 –> 00:32:26,760
But like if you’re just sitting on your own wondering, oh, can I wear this?

687
00:32:26,760 –> 00:32:28,080
Like go learn about it first.

688
00:32:28,080 –> 00:32:29,080
Go learn about the culture.

689
00:32:29,080 –> 00:32:31,080
That’s the place you have to come from.

690
00:32:31,080 –> 00:32:35,720
If you’re a real fan, in my opinion of anything, you’re going to want to dig in and learn about

691
00:32:35,720 –> 00:32:36,720
it.

692
00:32:36,720 –> 00:32:37,720
I agree.

693
00:32:37,720 –> 00:32:38,720
Totally.

694
00:32:38,720 –> 00:32:39,720
Exactly.

695
00:32:39,720 –> 00:32:40,720
And that goes on the other side too.

696
00:32:40,720 –> 00:32:43,960
Like you have K-pop artists who get into K-pop because like that’s the, I don’t want to say

697
00:32:43,960 –> 00:32:44,960
easiest.

698
00:32:44,960 –> 00:32:47,480
They definitely don’t have an easy time, but like that’s the easiest way into the music

699
00:32:47,480 –> 00:32:48,480
industry.

700
00:32:48,480 –> 00:32:51,480
But like they do have a passion for like hip hop or R&B and they really want to explore

701
00:32:51,480 –> 00:32:52,480
that.

702
00:32:52,480 –> 00:32:57,040
So I encourage go see what it’s about, how it originated, what’s the story behind it.

703
00:32:57,040 –> 00:33:00,980
And I think that can breathe an authenticity into what you’re doing that people aren’t

704
00:33:00,980 –> 00:33:02,840
going to question you.

705
00:33:02,840 –> 00:33:07,240
And I don’t know that cultural appropriation and appreciation is a hard line.

706
00:33:07,240 –> 00:33:10,240
I think it’s about intent a lot of the time.

707
00:33:10,240 –> 00:33:11,240
Yes.

708
00:33:11,240 –> 00:33:12,240
Yeah.

709
00:33:12,240 –> 00:33:13,240
I know I was watching a show.

710
00:33:13,240 –> 00:33:17,140
I can’t remember what, if it was street man fighter, street man fighter.

711
00:33:17,140 –> 00:33:20,880
And they had an artist from the U S who had come over.

712
00:33:20,880 –> 00:33:23,800
He’s a producer here in America, but he’s Korean.

713
00:33:23,800 –> 00:33:29,720
And they were talking about some form of dancing and he had asked somebody, you know, um, yeah,

714
00:33:29,720 –> 00:33:31,000
so you know, what do you think about that?

715
00:33:31,000 –> 00:33:32,440
Cause this is kind of like the old school.

716
00:33:32,440 –> 00:33:34,400
He said something and the guy was kind of lost.

717
00:33:34,400 –> 00:33:38,000
And I’m going, see problem, you should know the background.

718
00:33:38,000 –> 00:33:40,560
If this is what you’re judging and if this is what you’re doing, you should know the

719
00:33:40,560 –> 00:33:41,560
background.

720
00:33:41,560 –> 00:33:45,000
So he did, he broke it down for them about how the streets of New York and he, you know,

721
00:33:45,000 –> 00:33:49,200
explained the whole line of how that type of dancing came along with hip hop culture.

722
00:33:49,200 –> 00:33:51,800
And it just made me go, see, I appreciate you.

723
00:33:51,800 –> 00:33:55,840
I appreciate you for recognizing we’re not just going to come over here and say, this

724
00:33:55,840 –> 00:33:59,680
is what we’re doing and not be mindful of how things came about.

725
00:33:59,680 –> 00:34:01,640
Like the digging in is important to me.

726
00:34:01,640 –> 00:34:07,080
And even as a fan, I get frustrated when I start talking to other fans and they say things

727
00:34:07,080 –> 00:34:10,420
and I’m just going, did you even read about their history?

728
00:34:10,420 –> 00:34:12,160
Did you find out how they got started?

729
00:34:12,160 –> 00:34:16,280
Like, how is it that you are, you’ve been over here for 20 years and I just joined in

730
00:34:16,280 –> 00:34:18,640
and you don’t even realize they started by doing that.

731
00:34:18,640 –> 00:34:19,640
Yeah.

732
00:34:19,640 –> 00:34:20,640
That’s my thing.

733
00:34:20,640 –> 00:34:22,800
Again, I will note that I’m a big history nerd.

734
00:34:22,800 –> 00:34:24,760
Like I just love learning about history in general.

735
00:34:24,760 –> 00:34:26,660
Like it was my favorite subject in school.

736
00:34:26,660 –> 00:34:31,320
So, you know, that’s just kind of my thing, but I don’t understand how people, you can

737
00:34:31,320 –> 00:34:32,320
be a casual fan.

738
00:34:32,320 –> 00:34:33,320
That’s fine.

739
00:34:33,320 –> 00:34:35,720
If you just want to turn on a TV show and watch it in the beat down, that’s fine.

740
00:34:35,720 –> 00:34:39,120
But if you’re really trying to be in this fandom space, like really engage with it,

741
00:34:39,120 –> 00:34:41,660
I don’t know how you do that without looking at the history.

742
00:34:41,660 –> 00:34:45,160
And that’s why I get upset when people say, oh, these are homogenous countries.

743
00:34:45,160 –> 00:34:46,720
Oh, well, they’re an infantilize.

744
00:34:46,720 –> 00:34:49,080
I’m like, they have been through a lot.

745
00:34:49,080 –> 00:34:53,660
And I think to infantilize them and take away the autonomy is dishonoring the history that

746
00:34:53,660 –> 00:34:59,200
they’ve lived through because they’re people who’ve gone through things that we can’t imagine.

747
00:34:59,200 –> 00:35:01,720
Not that, you know, America has its own history, but so does South Korea.

748
00:35:01,720 –> 00:35:06,140
So does, you know, people in Japan, especially like indigenous people in Japan.

749
00:35:06,140 –> 00:35:10,920
Like there are histories there that are harrowing and really speak to the strength of the people.

750
00:35:10,920 –> 00:35:12,760
And I think the intelligence of the people.

751
00:35:12,760 –> 00:35:13,760
Exactly.

752
00:35:13,760 –> 00:35:16,960
I think the most respectful thing we could do is learn about that history and understand

753
00:35:16,960 –> 00:35:20,280
that they’re fully realized people with fully realized culture.

754
00:35:20,280 –> 00:35:25,140
And just because this is something like, I think it gets skipped over kind of easily.

755
00:35:25,140 –> 00:35:32,320
They have an American base there in South Korea that’s been there for many, many, many, many,

756
00:35:32,320 –> 00:35:33,320
many years.

757
00:35:33,320 –> 00:35:37,800
Oh, we could get lots and lots of, I was about to say with lots and lots of different cultures,

758
00:35:37,800 –> 00:35:41,920
because you even as a matter of fact, didn’t you do a whole, I don’t want to say episode,

759
00:35:41,920 –> 00:35:45,080
but you did a real about it.

760
00:35:45,080 –> 00:35:48,400
And someone else that I know, his name is one Mike podcast.

761
00:35:48,400 –> 00:35:51,240
He does like history and things like that.

762
00:35:51,240 –> 00:35:52,720
He did one that was very similar.

763
00:35:52,720 –> 00:35:57,240
And I was like, wow, I wonder how many people realize if you stopped and looked at the concept

764
00:35:57,240 –> 00:36:01,360
of KFC, Korean fried chicken, and how it really came about.

765
00:36:01,360 –> 00:36:02,360
I don’t think people do.

766
00:36:02,360 –> 00:36:05,480
And even when you research it, talking about that real, like I did a lot of research because

767
00:36:05,480 –> 00:36:06,800
I couldn’t find the source.

768
00:36:06,800 –> 00:36:09,360
Everybody kept saying, oh, this Thanksgiving meal, da da da da da.

769
00:36:09,360 –> 00:36:13,520
And like there is no one source, but it seems like most likely what happened based on accounts.

770
00:36:13,520 –> 00:36:16,240
Like this is most likely how it got introduced.

771
00:36:16,240 –> 00:36:20,920
But it’s interesting to me that this history that is not that far back in our past cannot

772
00:36:20,920 –> 00:36:24,560
be substantiated because it was black people.

773
00:36:24,560 –> 00:36:28,400
Even in Korea’s own history, not to say like we played such a big role in Korea’s history.

774
00:36:28,400 –> 00:36:30,960
I’m not trying to do that cultural imperialism.

775
00:36:30,960 –> 00:36:34,760
But what I’m saying is even where there is this interaction where black people are, that

776
00:36:34,760 –> 00:36:40,360
history isn’t told, which is so universal across the world because white supremacy is

777
00:36:40,360 –> 00:36:42,360
America’s biggest export.

778
00:36:42,360 –> 00:36:43,360
Exactly.

779
00:36:43,360 –> 00:36:44,360
Exactly.

780
00:36:44,360 –> 00:36:51,240
What would you hope to see in the fandom as far as representation goes, maybe from the

781
00:36:51,240 –> 00:36:54,480
people who produce dramas, but also maybe from the fandom itself?

782
00:36:54,480 –> 00:37:01,120
I care less about the representation on screen and I care more about being seen off screen,

783
00:37:01,120 –> 00:37:02,560
like as fans.

784
00:37:02,560 –> 00:37:08,360
So I care about them really exploring, oh, it’s not just like Americans.

785
00:37:08,360 –> 00:37:09,360
Okay.

786
00:37:09,360 –> 00:37:10,460
What types of Americans?

787
00:37:10,460 –> 00:37:13,120
Because black folks are in everything everywhere.

788
00:37:13,120 –> 00:37:14,720
We got a whole black Twitter.

789
00:37:14,720 –> 00:37:19,280
I don’t know why we may already have a whole black Instagram like we have.

790
00:37:19,280 –> 00:37:21,520
We get involved in things.

791
00:37:21,520 –> 00:37:28,840
And I’m on YouTube enough watching reaction videos to see that more and more black people

792
00:37:28,840 –> 00:37:31,840
of all stripes are watching K-dramas.

793
00:37:31,840 –> 00:37:34,960
And so that is super hot for us.

794
00:37:34,960 –> 00:37:38,600
And I’m like, see us here, see what we’re doing.

795
00:37:38,600 –> 00:37:43,480
So if you are going to represent us, realize that you, if you are going to represent us

796
00:37:43,480 –> 00:37:51,400
on screen, recognize that you need to be sensitive, but I’m okay with never seeing another black

797
00:37:51,400 –> 00:37:52,480
face.

798
00:37:52,480 –> 00:37:54,040
And I mean that in every form.

799
00:37:54,040 –> 00:37:56,840
You mean like a black person or black literal blackface?

800
00:37:56,840 –> 00:37:57,840
Both of them.

801
00:37:57,840 –> 00:37:59,320
I mean, no version.

802
00:37:59,320 –> 00:38:05,440
I don’t want to see, it’s like, I want to keep it as fun as it was when I first started

803
00:38:05,440 –> 00:38:06,440
watching.

804
00:38:06,440 –> 00:38:09,320
I want to have an expectation and be disappointed.

805
00:38:09,320 –> 00:38:12,600
So just give me my show and don’t do a Disney.

806
00:38:12,600 –> 00:38:13,600
That’s all I ask.

807
00:38:13,600 –> 00:38:19,000
I think for myself personally, I’m okay with seeing us as long as it’s done correctly.

808
00:38:19,000 –> 00:38:22,480
Again, we’re not the, I can’t think of the drama.

809
00:38:22,480 –> 00:38:24,320
It may have been, it was Penthouse.

810
00:38:24,320 –> 00:38:29,920
Penthouse is also guilty where you have the black people who are the characters and they’re

811
00:38:29,920 –> 00:38:33,760
the drug dealers or they’re the ones with the guns holding somebody captive.

812
00:38:33,760 –> 00:38:35,440
Like please let’s stop that.

813
00:38:35,440 –> 00:38:36,440
That’s America.

814
00:38:36,440 –> 00:38:37,440
Let’s leave that alone.

815
00:38:37,440 –> 00:38:38,720
That’s not even y’all life.

816
00:38:38,720 –> 00:38:39,720
That’s not your story.

817
00:38:39,720 –> 00:38:40,720
Stop telling that.

818
00:38:40,720 –> 00:38:42,040
So that kind of stuff.

819
00:38:42,040 –> 00:38:44,600
No, I don’t want to see that.

820
00:38:44,600 –> 00:38:49,600
But then I think about characters like, or not characters, actors like Jonathan.

821
00:38:49,600 –> 00:38:52,560
He is an actor who’s in South Korea.

822
00:38:52,560 –> 00:38:54,520
He has a sister named Patricia.

823
00:38:54,520 –> 00:38:57,320
Both of them were up for awards because they are out there.

824
00:38:57,320 –> 00:38:58,320
They are doing things.

825
00:38:58,320 –> 00:39:02,880
They, you know, are making a name for themselves and they’re in, I haven’t seen them in dramas,

826
00:39:02,880 –> 00:39:04,800
but I know variety shows.

827
00:39:04,800 –> 00:39:06,720
In which case, you know about Sam, right?

828
00:39:06,720 –> 00:39:07,720
Oh, Sam O’Curie.

829
00:39:07,720 –> 00:39:08,720
Yes.

830
00:39:08,720 –> 00:39:09,720
We can talk about that.

831
00:39:09,720 –> 00:39:10,720
Yeah.

832
00:39:10,720 –> 00:39:13,360
And so like his situation and how he was blackballed because he spoke about things being out of

833
00:39:13,360 –> 00:39:14,840
order and not right.

834
00:39:14,840 –> 00:39:19,640
So like, I know there’s like a fine edge sort, but I feel like it’s worth the fight because

835
00:39:19,640 –> 00:39:21,400
it looks like the world they live in.

836
00:39:21,400 –> 00:39:25,640
If you look at, and I’ve not been to South Korea before anybody comes in, that’s not

837
00:39:25,640 –> 00:39:26,640
true.

838
00:39:26,640 –> 00:39:30,960
I don’t know, but I am going to tell you based upon all of the TV watching I do, they

839
00:39:30,960 –> 00:39:33,800
have shown me there are plenty of foreigners there.

840
00:39:33,800 –> 00:39:38,340
And so if it’s that kind of mix and that kind of meld, yes, why not make representation

841
00:39:38,340 –> 00:39:42,520
of that in your shows when you’re showing things that are realistic and that are the

842
00:39:42,520 –> 00:39:43,520
case.

843
00:39:43,520 –> 00:39:44,520
Just keep it real.

844
00:39:44,520 –> 00:39:45,520
That’s all.

845
00:39:45,520 –> 00:39:46,520
Or let me just say this.

846
00:39:46,520 –> 00:39:47,520
They can do it slowly.

847
00:39:47,520 –> 00:39:48,520
Okay.

848
00:39:48,520 –> 00:39:49,520
Yeah.

849
00:39:49,520 –> 00:39:50,520
Yeah.

850
00:39:50,520 –> 00:39:51,520
There’s no rush.

851
00:39:51,520 –> 00:39:56,240
Because like we watched Startup like a few years ago and I think, I’m not sure what you’re

852
00:39:56,240 –> 00:40:00,160
saying, but I was talking about how he had black art in his office.

853
00:40:00,160 –> 00:40:01,160
I was good with that.

854
00:40:01,160 –> 00:40:02,160
I was like, Ooh.

855
00:40:02,160 –> 00:40:03,960
I was thinking Itaewon class.

856
00:40:03,960 –> 00:40:04,960
Sorry.

857
00:40:04,960 –> 00:40:05,960
Go ahead.

858
00:40:05,960 –> 00:40:06,960
Right.

859
00:40:06,960 –> 00:40:07,960
Okay.

860
00:40:07,960 –> 00:40:08,960
Then we’ll come back to yours.

861
00:40:08,960 –> 00:40:11,960
But like black art on the walls, black African women, I was like, I’ll take it.

862
00:40:11,960 –> 00:40:12,960
I’ll take it.

863
00:40:12,960 –> 00:40:16,460
And then I think there was some show, I don’t know if it was Itaewon where they had like

864
00:40:16,460 –> 00:40:19,960
an African woman who was like the head of the company.

865
00:40:19,960 –> 00:40:21,760
I was like, I’ll take it.

866
00:40:21,760 –> 00:40:23,800
That was search WWW.

867
00:40:23,800 –> 00:40:24,800
Thank you.

868
00:40:24,800 –> 00:40:27,200
Just a smidge, just a smidge in the corner.

869
00:40:27,200 –> 00:40:30,320
Like you don’t have to, please, please just walk on row.

870
00:40:30,320 –> 00:40:34,120
If you’re going to do something, a cameo, do not, they don’t even have to have speaking

871
00:40:34,120 –> 00:40:35,120
lines.

872
00:40:35,120 –> 00:40:39,320
Keep it as simple as possible because I do not want you all to disappoint me.

873
00:40:39,320 –> 00:40:42,080
And then I have to like straight up put a drama down.

874
00:40:42,080 –> 00:40:45,320
So then how did you feel about Itaewon class and Chris Lyons?

875
00:40:45,320 –> 00:40:47,280
That is exactly what I was going to ask.

876
00:40:47,280 –> 00:40:48,920
How did y’all feel about Itaewon class?

877
00:40:48,920 –> 00:40:52,040
For listeners who haven’t seen it, there is a black character in it.

878
00:40:52,040 –> 00:40:56,440
I mean, it’s not the main storyline, but it does deal with the type of racism, like a

879
00:40:56,440 –> 00:41:01,800
black person living in Korea, specifically who is also Korean, my face.

880
00:41:01,800 –> 00:41:04,920
So I’m asking you something else based upon what you just said.

881
00:41:04,920 –> 00:41:06,760
How did you feel about that character?

882
00:41:06,760 –> 00:41:08,160
So I was happy with the character.

883
00:41:08,160 –> 00:41:10,040
I think we even did a show about it.

884
00:41:10,040 –> 00:41:11,040
We did, we did.

885
00:41:11,040 –> 00:41:15,040
But the flip side of it and what they tried to do, which I appreciated because it was

886
00:41:15,040 –> 00:41:16,700
that type of show, right?

887
00:41:16,700 –> 00:41:22,880
They tried to have representation on a number of fronts and so big ups to them and respect.

888
00:41:22,880 –> 00:41:28,440
Wasn’t he the one character who did not own a stake in that company when they like years

889
00:41:28,440 –> 00:41:33,800
later they had grown the business and did all this stuff and he was like running some

890
00:41:33,800 –> 00:41:34,800
of the restaurants.

891
00:41:34,800 –> 00:41:40,000
He was like managing, but he wasn’t at the table with them when they were making decisions.

892
00:41:40,000 –> 00:41:41,000
See I noticed that.

893
00:41:41,000 –> 00:41:43,120
I don’t know if I paid attention to that at the end.

894
00:41:43,120 –> 00:41:44,120
Wow.

895
00:41:44,120 –> 00:41:45,120
I do not remember.

896
00:41:45,120 –> 00:41:46,120
I’m not saying it’s not true.

897
00:41:46,120 –> 00:41:47,120
I have no recollection.

898
00:41:47,120 –> 00:41:48,120
Right, right.

899
00:41:48,120 –> 00:41:49,960
I remember it because I was like, oh, where is he?

900
00:41:49,960 –> 00:41:54,160
Like when they all got to the other side, oh, it’s been five years or whatever the time

901
00:41:54,160 –> 00:41:58,680
jump was and they were all sitting making decisions about the company.

902
00:41:58,680 –> 00:42:01,000
He was every time they did.

903
00:42:01,000 –> 00:42:02,000
He was never there.

904
00:42:02,000 –> 00:42:03,000
Wow.

905
00:42:03,000 –> 00:42:04,000
Never there.

906
00:42:04,000 –> 00:42:05,680
You’re going to make me go back and watch now.

907
00:42:05,680 –> 00:42:06,680
Right, right.

908
00:42:06,680 –> 00:42:08,680
This could be our test, right?

909
00:42:08,680 –> 00:42:10,800
Come back and follow up and be like, hey.

910
00:42:10,800 –> 00:42:11,800
Because you’re correct.

911
00:42:11,800 –> 00:42:15,360
That is a subtle, but so now in this sense though, that’s a small start.

912
00:42:15,360 –> 00:42:16,360
I agree.

913
00:42:16,360 –> 00:42:19,320
I’m not saying it’s right, but it’s a small start.

914
00:42:19,320 –> 00:42:23,000
At least they’re considered because I mean, throughout the whole drama, and I think it

915
00:42:23,000 –> 00:42:28,320
took until the end for her to stop calling him a foreigner, even though he was his character

916
00:42:28,320 –> 00:42:33,560
was South Korean born and it was a, he was a South Korean born biracial person.

917
00:42:33,560 –> 00:42:39,400
Like the real he’s an actor, but he’s also truly South Korean born, speaks no English,

918
00:42:39,400 –> 00:42:42,560
Han Hyun Min and he’s biracial.

919
00:42:42,560 –> 00:42:44,120
He’s the one who was in that show.

920
00:42:44,120 –> 00:42:45,120
So not worth it.

921
00:42:45,120 –> 00:42:46,800
The show that was so not worth it.

922
00:42:46,800 –> 00:42:47,800
Ooh.

923
00:42:47,800 –> 00:42:49,920
I draw, I put it down, sorry.

924
00:42:49,920 –> 00:42:50,920
Ma’am.

925
00:42:50,920 –> 00:42:52,840
I watched it all, but good God almighty.

926
00:42:52,840 –> 00:42:56,880
And I think I watched it all because again, it was a cultural representation and I was

927
00:42:56,880 –> 00:42:59,680
trying to see where they were going, but good Lord, it was a fight.

928
00:42:59,680 –> 00:43:02,440
I was trying, but I couldn’t, I couldn’t do it.

929
00:43:02,440 –> 00:43:03,440
I’m sorry.

930
00:43:03,440 –> 00:43:04,440
I’m sorry, everyone.

931
00:43:04,440 –> 00:43:05,840
I keep thinking like, well, should I go back to it?

932
00:43:05,840 –> 00:43:06,840
But the review seemed to say no.

933
00:43:06,840 –> 00:43:07,840
No, leave that alone.

934
00:43:07,840 –> 00:43:10,840
It was like trying to go back and watch like what?

935
00:43:10,840 –> 00:43:12,280
Saved by the Bell or something.

936
00:43:12,280 –> 00:43:14,840
Man, they had laugh tracks that just threw me off.

937
00:43:14,840 –> 00:43:16,200
Like it was terrible.

938
00:43:16,200 –> 00:43:17,960
That show was not what I thought it was going to be.

939
00:43:17,960 –> 00:43:20,840
It was kind of hard, but Han Hyun Min, I really like him.

940
00:43:20,840 –> 00:43:22,520
I follow him on Instagram.

941
00:43:22,520 –> 00:43:27,380
And that’s what I mean when I say like people go on and on about how it’s a homogenous society,

942
00:43:27,380 –> 00:43:28,720
but how do you explain him?

943
00:43:28,720 –> 00:43:29,720
Like he exists.

944
00:43:29,720 –> 00:43:30,720
He’s a person.

945
00:43:30,720 –> 00:43:31,720
And he’s not alone.

946
00:43:31,720 –> 00:43:32,720
And he’s not alone.

947
00:43:32,720 –> 00:43:36,400
In fact, there’s more than people really want to talk about.

948
00:43:36,400 –> 00:43:40,360
And I personally would like to see, it’s actually my secret wish.

949
00:43:40,360 –> 00:43:41,360
I’m trying to play it cool.

950
00:43:41,360 –> 00:43:42,360
Like, oh, it’d be cool to see.

951
00:43:42,360 –> 00:43:48,560
I just am obsessed with this idea of having a K-drama specifically surrounding a biracial

952
00:43:48,560 –> 00:43:49,560
person.

953
00:43:49,560 –> 00:43:51,040
And I know like it’d be so risky.

954
00:43:51,040 –> 00:43:52,720
You’d have to get a biracial person to write it.

955
00:43:52,720 –> 00:43:55,640
And we’re nowhere near that in that country.

956
00:43:55,640 –> 00:44:00,760
But I would love to see it because I think it’s way more of a common experience.

957
00:44:00,760 –> 00:44:01,760
I think it would do well.

958
00:44:01,760 –> 00:44:06,160
I think global citizens, but Koreans specifically are interested in this stuff.

959
00:44:06,160 –> 00:44:09,440
It’s just that these big, big companies.

960
00:44:09,440 –> 00:44:10,440
And the world push.

961
00:44:10,440 –> 00:44:13,920
It’s like the big brother push of what we’re going to see and what you’re not going to

962
00:44:13,920 –> 00:44:14,920
see.

963
00:44:14,920 –> 00:44:15,920
Exactly.

964
00:44:15,920 –> 00:44:16,920
Exactly.

965
00:44:16,920 –> 00:44:22,520
And you know, that’s why I love technology because I have hope that it will be the great

966
00:44:22,520 –> 00:44:29,560
equalizer when it comes to kind of getting around gatekeepers and companies that underestimate

967
00:44:29,560 –> 00:44:31,800
fans and viewers.

968
00:44:31,800 –> 00:44:36,960
I always hope, okay, somebody is going to be the Issa Rae, right?

969
00:44:36,960 –> 00:44:38,320
The next Issa Rae.

970
00:44:38,320 –> 00:44:42,600
And so maybe there will be somebody who’s like, okay, let me go on and create this thing

971
00:44:42,600 –> 00:44:44,400
because I’m not seeing it.

972
00:44:44,400 –> 00:44:53,040
Like I saw an Australian biracial romance between a Korean guy and a black woman.

973
00:44:53,040 –> 00:44:54,040
It’s on YouTube.

974
00:44:54,040 –> 00:44:55,040
Oh yeah.

975
00:44:55,040 –> 00:44:56,040
That was good.

976
00:44:56,040 –> 00:44:57,040
Right.

977
00:44:57,040 –> 00:44:58,040
Was it love or something like that?

978
00:44:58,040 –> 00:44:59,680
Yes, something like that.

979
00:44:59,680 –> 00:45:07,760
And the only way that happens is because someone decides to independently go on their own.

980
00:45:07,760 –> 00:45:08,760
Right.

981
00:45:08,760 –> 00:45:10,120
I have a hope for that.

982
00:45:10,120 –> 00:45:16,080
I mean, when you mentioned a biracial lead, I thought to myself, oh, that’s who I want

983
00:45:16,080 –> 00:45:20,000
is a lead for the American Nights version of Boys Over Flowers.

984
00:45:20,000 –> 00:45:23,180
I am never watching Boys Over Flowers again.

985
00:45:23,180 –> 00:45:25,600
After F4, that ruined me.

986
00:45:25,600 –> 00:45:31,400
The only exception is if America comes out with their own Boys Over Flowers adaptation,

987
00:45:31,400 –> 00:45:32,400
right?

988
00:45:32,400 –> 00:45:35,520
And in my head, she is always biracial.

989
00:45:35,520 –> 00:45:41,680
She is not just a white girl or a black girl or even like some East Asian in some way.

990
00:45:41,680 –> 00:45:48,160
She’s always biracial because I want her to represent America.

991
00:45:48,160 –> 00:45:50,920
So Jacques and them get busy.

992
00:45:50,920 –> 00:45:55,600
I also have a lot of hope that we might get there through either webtoons or web dramas.

993
00:45:55,600 –> 00:45:59,000
Web dramas are doing a lot of creative stuff and webtoons, you know.

994
00:45:59,000 –> 00:46:00,400
Oh, I know, right?

995
00:46:00,400 –> 00:46:04,640
I saw one not too long ago and I was just like, oh, okay, I might have to check out

996
00:46:04,640 –> 00:46:05,840
some more web dramas.

997
00:46:05,840 –> 00:46:10,880
Yeah, they’re doing real cool stuff and the webtoons that Kdramas are now looking to adapt,

998
00:46:10,880 –> 00:46:12,080
they also do really cool stuff.

999
00:46:12,080 –> 00:46:15,040
Now will they pick up the more controversial ones?

1000
00:46:15,040 –> 00:46:16,280
Maybe not, but maybe in time.

1001
00:46:16,280 –> 00:46:17,280
Who’s to say?

1002
00:46:17,280 –> 00:46:21,600
And I think that’s a quicker path to getting the representation that would be required

1003
00:46:21,600 –> 00:46:24,560
in the writers’ room to be able to tell a story like that.

1004
00:46:24,560 –> 00:46:25,560
Yeah, yeah.

1005
00:46:25,560 –> 00:46:29,800
I guess, okay, we’re getting close to time, but I do have a couple more questions, fun

1006
00:46:29,800 –> 00:46:30,800
questions.

1007
00:46:30,800 –> 00:46:36,600
The first is, what advice would you give to a Black fan coming to dramas in general, completely

1008
00:46:36,600 –> 00:46:37,600
new?

1009
00:46:37,600 –> 00:46:42,040
I do know we talked about dragging our friends, kicking and screaming, but, you know, we’re,

1010
00:46:42,040 –> 00:46:45,440
all three of us are online to some extent and have come across people who are like,

1011
00:46:45,440 –> 00:46:46,800
I’m brand new here.

1012
00:46:46,800 –> 00:46:50,600
And I feel like as a Black fan, there’s more to keep in mind.

1013
00:46:50,600 –> 00:46:51,880
So do you have advice?

1014
00:46:51,880 –> 00:46:58,080
I think for me, because I’m all about an authentic experience, one of the first things, because

1015
00:46:58,080 –> 00:47:03,800
a lot of the people who come over, one of the things they’ll say is, oh, well, is it

1016
00:47:03,800 –> 00:47:04,800
dubbed?

1017
00:47:04,800 –> 00:47:06,280
If it’s not dubbed, I can’t watch it.

1018
00:47:06,280 –> 00:47:09,120
I think you kill and lose a whole lot with that.

1019
00:47:09,120 –> 00:47:15,160
You miss out on nuances, you miss out on cultural references, you miss out on learning about,

1020
00:47:15,160 –> 00:47:20,560
because I think this is more than just, this is my personal opinion.

1021
00:47:20,560 –> 00:47:23,640
I think this is more than just a fun story.

1022
00:47:23,640 –> 00:47:25,200
You’re coming to watch a fun story.

1023
00:47:25,200 –> 00:47:26,200
You’re learning.

1024
00:47:26,200 –> 00:47:29,540
You’re going to learn about another culture, and so the same way, and this is kind of how

1025
00:47:29,540 –> 00:47:35,680
I present it to people that I talk to, the same way we complain about the ways we are

1026
00:47:35,680 –> 00:47:39,800
presented to the world with the way they, you know, put us in certain dramas or you

1027
00:47:39,800 –> 00:47:43,080
look up and we’re always the ones who are in jail or we’re always the ones with the

1028
00:47:43,080 –> 00:47:44,080
gun.

1029
00:47:44,080 –> 00:47:47,840
If that’s not how you want to be presented, look at it authentically and that way you

1030
00:47:47,840 –> 00:47:51,480
learn about them a little differently than just what’s given to you.

1031
00:47:51,480 –> 00:47:56,760
So that’s one of my first, you know, watch it without the dubbing, read, see what they’re

1032
00:47:56,760 –> 00:47:59,920
saying in certain spaces, I think do a better job.

1033
00:47:59,920 –> 00:48:05,280
Like Vicki does a superb, fantastic job of making sure you get references and understand

1034
00:48:05,280 –> 00:48:07,000
why things are.

1035
00:48:07,000 –> 00:48:10,480
Netflix is a beast of business and they’re just going to make sure you get, hey, here’s

1036
00:48:10,480 –> 00:48:11,480
what it says.

1037
00:48:11,480 –> 00:48:14,920
And sometimes you’re lost on what that, that makes sense.

1038
00:48:14,920 –> 00:48:15,920
What does that mean?

1039
00:48:15,920 –> 00:48:16,920
It’s rough.

1040
00:48:16,920 –> 00:48:19,080
So Netflix, and I know it’s, I don’t blame the translators.

1041
00:48:19,080 –> 00:48:24,480
Netflix has very not giving enough resources or time to these poor translators.

1042
00:48:24,480 –> 00:48:28,260
But like, I just kind of feel like that’s one of the things to me.

1043
00:48:28,260 –> 00:48:30,160
If you’re coming over, be mindful.

1044
00:48:30,160 –> 00:48:31,460
This is a whole nother culture.

1045
00:48:31,460 –> 00:48:33,160
They don’t do things the way we do.

1046
00:48:33,160 –> 00:48:37,400
Keep all of those things in mind, be it the music or the dramas.

1047
00:48:37,400 –> 00:48:44,420
One, two, finding fandoms and groups that are like you, like finding people who are

1048
00:48:44,420 –> 00:48:49,120
of the same mindset to help the experience because sometimes depending on your groups

1049
00:48:49,120 –> 00:48:53,360
that you’re in, you might find people who are willing to tell you are willing to make

1050
00:48:53,360 –> 00:48:55,240
things seem like, oh, that’s okay.

1051
00:48:55,240 –> 00:48:56,240
You know, you don’t worry about that.

1052
00:48:56,240 –> 00:48:57,240
Or, oh no, we do.

1053
00:48:57,240 –> 00:48:59,600
And you’re like, yeah, but this seems off.

1054
00:48:59,600 –> 00:49:00,720
This, this not quite right.

1055
00:49:00,720 –> 00:49:04,280
So sometimes I’ll come back to some, something else like, okay, let me ask you this.

1056
00:49:04,280 –> 00:49:08,160
Is it me or, and then we’ll talk it out and hash it out.

1057
00:49:08,160 –> 00:49:09,560
And I’m like, I didn’t think I was wrong.

1058
00:49:09,560 –> 00:49:11,040
Cause that just sounds terrible.

1059
00:49:11,040 –> 00:49:12,600
You shouldn’t be doing this.

1060
00:49:12,600 –> 00:49:16,500
You know, so finding people who are like you to have those conversations when you cross

1061
00:49:16,500 –> 00:49:23,100
those things that are kind of controversial or not always just as easily expressed and

1062
00:49:23,100 –> 00:49:27,680
finding authentic Korean people to talk to because that matters as well.

1063
00:49:27,680 –> 00:49:29,800
So those would be my three pieces of advice.

1064
00:49:29,800 –> 00:49:35,040
Watch it without the dubbing, find folks like you to commune with and meet some true Korean

1065
00:49:35,040 –> 00:49:36,320
people and talk to them as well.

1066
00:49:36,320 –> 00:49:39,000
Cause that’ll be quick to tell you like, we’re not like the K dramas.

1067
00:49:39,000 –> 00:49:41,080
The guys are not like K drama leads.

1068
00:49:41,080 –> 00:49:44,120
No, girls are not like K drama leads, please.

1069
00:49:44,120 –> 00:49:46,480
And everything some Ray said was brilliant.

1070
00:49:46,480 –> 00:49:47,800
I didn’t even think about those things.

1071
00:49:47,800 –> 00:49:50,600
So I’m just going to like ditto that.

1072
00:49:50,600 –> 00:49:56,640
But I’ll say that if you are interested, find something in the genre that you’re interested

1073
00:49:56,640 –> 00:49:58,760
in, don’t just watch anything.

1074
00:49:58,760 –> 00:49:59,760
Thank you.

1075
00:49:59,760 –> 00:50:01,160
And then go, Oh, I don’t like this.

1076
00:50:01,160 –> 00:50:06,960
No, if you’re into crime dramas, when you watch television in your home country, then

1077
00:50:06,960 –> 00:50:10,980
look for crime dramas, look for the appropriate, you know, genre.

1078
00:50:10,980 –> 00:50:15,760
And that’s something that I’ve had to learn trying to like get people hooked on K dramas.

1079
00:50:15,760 –> 00:50:17,400
Like you just can’t mix and match.

1080
00:50:17,400 –> 00:50:20,960
Oh, because I loved extraordinary attorney, woo, you’re going to love it too.

1081
00:50:20,960 –> 00:50:26,640
No, maybe they won’t, you know, and also don’t ride the wave just because it exists.

1082
00:50:26,640 –> 00:50:30,080
Like if you’re not really even into television, it’s okay.

1083
00:50:30,080 –> 00:50:31,080
You don’t have to watch.

1084
00:50:31,080 –> 00:50:33,240
You don’t have to watch any of it.

1085
00:50:33,240 –> 00:50:37,720
Or if you know that you don’t like killing and blood and violence and everybody under

1086
00:50:37,720 –> 00:50:39,120
the sun, watch squid game.

1087
00:50:39,120 –> 00:50:40,640
Doesn’t mean you have to watch squid game.

1088
00:50:40,640 –> 00:50:41,640
Right.

1089
00:50:41,640 –> 00:50:42,640
Exactly.

1090
00:50:42,640 –> 00:50:43,640
Exactly.

1091
00:50:43,640 –> 00:50:48,000
You know, watch something that is comfortable for you because we’ve had folks who really

1092
00:50:48,000 –> 00:50:53,060
want their opinion, really care about what they think about a particular show, for example,

1093
00:50:53,060 –> 00:50:54,480
but they’re not really into TV.

1094
00:50:54,480 –> 00:51:00,960
So it’s like, okay, there’s no shame in, in not jumping into the deep end and drowning

1095
00:51:00,960 –> 00:51:02,640
in K dramas.

1096
00:51:02,640 –> 00:51:04,720
You know, you can start with Netflix.

1097
00:51:04,720 –> 00:51:10,600
There’s nothing wrong with Netflix initially because you may not have committed Vicky money

1098
00:51:10,600 –> 00:51:12,240
because that’s a monthly fee.

1099
00:51:12,240 –> 00:51:13,240
Okay.

1100
00:51:13,240 –> 00:51:15,760
Like they have free ones, but it is right.

1101
00:51:15,760 –> 00:51:18,080
But any of the good ones, you’re going to have to pay some money.

1102
00:51:18,080 –> 00:51:19,080
Come on now.

1103
00:51:19,080 –> 00:51:23,440
You might not be ready for Cocoa Water to like really invest money into it.

1104
00:51:23,440 –> 00:51:24,440
Don’t invest.

1105
00:51:24,440 –> 00:51:25,440
Look for free shows.

1106
00:51:25,440 –> 00:51:29,400
There are plenty of older shows that you can watch, you know, catch it when you catch it.

1107
00:51:29,400 –> 00:51:31,880
You don’t have to be like, I have to watch it every day.

1108
00:51:31,880 –> 00:51:33,000
You don’t have to.

1109
00:51:33,000 –> 00:51:34,720
It’s all up to you.

1110
00:51:34,720 –> 00:51:37,340
It’s all entertainment is all for fun.

1111
00:51:37,340 –> 00:51:40,440
It’s all to like ease the way through life.

1112
00:51:40,440 –> 00:51:43,120
It is not that serious.

1113
00:51:43,120 –> 00:51:45,280
I’m saying this with a whole podcast, right?

1114
00:51:45,280 –> 00:51:47,960
It is not that serious.

1115
00:51:47,960 –> 00:51:48,960
It isn’t.

1116
00:51:48,960 –> 00:51:49,960
It’s supposed to be fun.

1117
00:51:49,960 –> 00:51:50,960
That is also something to remember.

1118
00:51:50,960 –> 00:51:54,720
Because I think people, we were talking earlier about how fans will excuse things.

1119
00:51:54,720 –> 00:51:58,240
I think on the other side, there is this other side of the spectrum where people are going

1120
00:51:58,240 –> 00:52:01,400
to nitpick and shout about everything because that’s what you do online.

1121
00:52:01,400 –> 00:52:03,200
You just get, you’re online to be angry.

1122
00:52:03,200 –> 00:52:04,200
There are those people.

1123
00:52:04,200 –> 00:52:07,160
And to the point where I’m like, okay, but it’s not that you’re wrong.

1124
00:52:07,160 –> 00:52:08,600
It’s just that I’m trying to have fun.

1125
00:52:08,600 –> 00:52:09,600
Do you know what I mean?

1126
00:52:09,600 –> 00:52:10,600
Like there’s a line.

1127
00:52:10,600 –> 00:52:14,080
You got to find it for yourself because it’s supposed to be fun and it doesn’t need to

1128
00:52:14,080 –> 00:52:15,080
be that serious.

1129
00:52:15,080 –> 00:52:19,920
Of course, you know, egregious violations of like representation and stuff for sure.

1130
00:52:19,920 –> 00:52:24,280
But you know, if you don’t personally like a K drama or you know, any drama, it’s cool.

1131
00:52:24,280 –> 00:52:25,760
Try different genre or don’t.

1132
00:52:25,760 –> 00:52:26,760
It’s fine.

1133
00:52:26,760 –> 00:52:27,760
Right.

1134
00:52:27,760 –> 00:52:28,760
None of it is fighting words.

1135
00:52:28,760 –> 00:52:32,960
Like if I don’t like voiceover flowers, don’t lose your mind over it.

1136
00:52:32,960 –> 00:52:33,960
Just move on.

1137
00:52:33,960 –> 00:52:34,960
It’ll be all right.

1138
00:52:34,960 –> 00:52:38,360
You can cringe like I did because I cringe when she said it, but moving on.

1139
00:52:38,360 –> 00:52:42,800
While there’s people, listen, while there are people who cringe because I happen to like

1140
00:52:42,800 –> 00:52:47,760
boys over flowers and I recognize all of the problems and all of what they find wrong.

1141
00:52:47,760 –> 00:52:48,760
I like to move on.

1142
00:52:48,760 –> 00:52:49,760
Next.

1143
00:52:49,760 –> 00:52:50,760
Well, you know what?

1144
00:52:50,760 –> 00:52:51,760
Okay.

1145
00:52:51,760 –> 00:52:54,000
Let’s, let’s talk about it for two seconds because we can’t help it.

1146
00:52:54,000 –> 00:52:57,840
I don’t have a problem with reverse harem romances.

1147
00:52:57,840 –> 00:53:00,920
I read them and I enjoy watching them.

1148
00:53:00,920 –> 00:53:06,720
I don’t, it’s like all the pieces are fine, but F4 in particular coming out of Thailand

1149
00:53:06,720 –> 00:53:11,200
was super brutal and I could not handle it.

1150
00:53:11,200 –> 00:53:16,080
He raised his fist to her at one point and I was like, you crossed the line.

1151
00:53:16,080 –> 00:53:18,280
So like the Korean one was fine.

1152
00:53:18,280 –> 00:53:20,080
The Japanese ones were fine.

1153
00:53:20,080 –> 00:53:22,800
The Japanese one, I think there were a couple.

1154
00:53:22,800 –> 00:53:23,800
There were a couple.

1155
00:53:23,800 –> 00:53:24,800
Yeah.

1156
00:53:24,800 –> 00:53:25,800
The Chinese one.

1157
00:53:25,800 –> 00:53:26,800
Okay.

1158
00:53:26,800 –> 00:53:28,280
That one just pineapple hit it.

1159
00:53:28,280 –> 00:53:30,560
F4 kind of messed me up a little bit.

1160
00:53:30,560 –> 00:53:32,800
I was, yes, pineapple hit it.

1161
00:53:32,800 –> 00:53:37,040
It kind of messed me up a little bit that made me go, made me see all the problems.

1162
00:53:37,040 –> 00:53:38,040
Right.

1163
00:53:38,040 –> 00:53:39,040
Way more.

1164
00:53:39,040 –> 00:53:40,400
It was just way more stark.

1165
00:53:40,400 –> 00:53:44,240
It was brutal on a whole other level and I watched it all the way through, made it to

1166
00:53:44,240 –> 00:53:47,040
the other side, held on to the end.

1167
00:53:47,040 –> 00:53:50,840
And I just think, yeah, is bullying a worthy topic?

1168
00:53:50,840 –> 00:53:51,840
Definitely.

1169
00:53:51,840 –> 00:53:58,160
Do I like seeing a strong female lead who does not give up and holds her stance?

1170
00:53:58,160 –> 00:53:59,160
Most definitely.

1171
00:53:59,160 –> 00:54:00,800
There are many things to like about it.

1172
00:54:00,800 –> 00:54:03,200
The Lord never again will I watch F4.

1173
00:54:03,200 –> 00:54:04,760
I’m just saying.

1174
00:54:04,760 –> 00:54:05,760
Okay.

1175
00:54:05,760 –> 00:54:07,980
My last question, it’s a two parter actually.

1176
00:54:07,980 –> 00:54:10,120
We said, you know, pick things in the genre you like.

1177
00:54:10,120 –> 00:54:13,880
And truly I will say to all my friends and family members who have been like, tell me

1178
00:54:13,880 –> 00:54:14,880
what to watch.

1179
00:54:14,880 –> 00:54:19,560
I do find it difficult because K dramas, dramas in general are not a genre.

1180
00:54:19,560 –> 00:54:20,560
Just like American TV.

1181
00:54:20,560 –> 00:54:21,560
Exactly.

1182
00:54:21,560 –> 00:54:22,560
It’s got a wide range.

1183
00:54:22,560 –> 00:54:23,960
So I can’t tell you what you’re going to like for sure.

1184
00:54:23,960 –> 00:54:28,080
However, we’re still going to do the fun question of if you had, could recommend one drama,

1185
00:54:28,080 –> 00:54:34,000
it doesn’t have to be a K drama, any drama to our listeners, what would it be and why?

1186
00:54:34,000 –> 00:54:37,320
And then the second part is for me, I only watch K dramas.

1187
00:54:37,320 –> 00:54:41,720
For me, if you wanted to recommend any non K drama drama, what would it be?

1188
00:54:41,720 –> 00:54:47,880
So because they’re fresh for me and because I’ve seen the reactions of other people, I

1189
00:54:47,880 –> 00:54:49,040
have to.

1190
00:54:49,040 –> 00:54:57,680
If you’re just looking for family friendly and something calm and fun to watch and harmless,

1191
00:54:57,680 –> 00:55:03,240
extraordinary attorney will lots of people from lots of walks have enjoyed extraordinary

1192
00:55:03,240 –> 00:55:04,380
attorney wound.

1193
00:55:04,380 –> 00:55:06,040
And so that’s the first one.

1194
00:55:06,040 –> 00:55:09,400
The other one is purely for adults.

1195
00:55:09,400 –> 00:55:17,720
And it’s because I’ve also seen that revenge is a common emotion for lots of people across

1196
00:55:17,720 –> 00:55:19,020
different walks of life.

1197
00:55:19,020 –> 00:55:24,640
And that’s why I’m suggesting the glory or you can try my name, but I prefer the glory

1198
00:55:24,640 –> 00:55:30,560
a smidge more than my name and it’s because I’ve seen so many people across different

1199
00:55:30,560 –> 00:55:33,280
walks of life, different races, everything.

1200
00:55:33,280 –> 00:55:35,160
They’ve all enjoyed the glory.

1201
00:55:35,160 –> 00:55:36,520
Go ahead, Zongre.

1202
00:55:36,520 –> 00:55:37,520
All right.

1203
00:55:37,520 –> 00:55:44,080
So for me, the general K drama wreck and my why is going to be, this is an old school

1204
00:55:44,080 –> 00:55:46,000
at this point.

1205
00:55:46,000 –> 00:55:49,000
It is search WWW.

1206
00:55:49,000 –> 00:55:53,920
And the reason why is again, kind of like what something else said, I like strong female

1207
00:55:53,920 –> 00:55:54,920
leads.

1208
00:55:54,920 –> 00:56:00,360
I like that these were, it was a story about three women and they were all very different

1209
00:56:00,360 –> 00:56:02,440
in how they function and what they dealt with.

1210
00:56:02,440 –> 00:56:08,000
But I just liked the way that they interacted and how by the end they had formed the sisterhood

1211
00:56:08,000 –> 00:56:13,200
and the sisterhood was based upon them overcoming different struggles that they had to go through.

1212
00:56:13,200 –> 00:56:19,960
I liked that the drama was semi kind of open to different types of lifestyles and beings

1213
00:56:19,960 –> 00:56:23,720
and not just your traditional, what we usually see in a drama.

1214
00:56:23,720 –> 00:56:24,720
And it was fun.

1215
00:56:24,720 –> 00:56:27,320
Plus I fell in love with Sam Kim there.

1216
00:56:27,320 –> 00:56:31,880
That’s when I first started going, Oh, the music sometimes Sam Kim, do you want to talk

1217
00:56:31,880 –> 00:56:32,880
about Sam Kim?

1218
00:56:32,880 –> 00:56:33,880
Dang.

1219
00:56:33,880 –> 00:56:34,880
We’re at the end of that.

1220
00:56:34,880 –> 00:56:37,000
So I could have, I love Sam Kim so much.

1221
00:56:37,000 –> 00:56:39,080
Well, I’ve met him there and that there.

1222
00:56:39,080 –> 00:56:42,360
He did a song for the OST and I fell in love.

1223
00:56:42,360 –> 00:56:44,360
Little OST prints.

1224
00:56:44,360 –> 00:56:45,480
Yes.

1225
00:56:45,480 –> 00:56:47,640
So that would be my general wreck.

1226
00:56:47,640 –> 00:56:53,280
My wreck personally to you is I’m thinking there’s this Japanese drama, but the sad part

1227
00:56:53,280 –> 00:56:55,800
is I’m looking it up while we’re talking.

1228
00:56:55,800 –> 00:57:01,840
I watched it not too long ago and I even think I might’ve done a podcast about it if I’m

1229
00:57:01,840 –> 00:57:02,840
not mistaken.

1230
00:57:02,840 –> 00:57:06,640
I think I talked to something else about it, but finding it has been my problem.

1231
00:57:06,640 –> 00:57:12,060
It was the one where something else, she works in the office and she bashes people bashes

1232
00:57:12,060 –> 00:57:13,060
when she gets upset.

1233
00:57:13,060 –> 00:57:14,060
She’s getting ready to bash them.

1234
00:57:14,060 –> 00:57:15,060
Oh, age harassment.

1235
00:57:15,060 –> 00:57:16,060
Thank you.

1236
00:57:16,060 –> 00:57:17,060
Age harassment.

1237
00:57:17,060 –> 00:57:19,100
And it is Japanese.

1238
00:57:19,100 –> 00:57:22,560
I know for a fact it was on Vicky, but in my mind I’m going, I saw some Vicky dramas

1239
00:57:22,560 –> 00:57:24,920
being popping up on Netflix, so it might be on Netflix.

1240
00:57:24,920 –> 00:57:28,520
Well, I got that Vicky subscription, so we all good.

1241
00:57:28,520 –> 00:57:29,520
Oh cool, cool, cool.

1242
00:57:29,520 –> 00:57:30,520
Okay.

1243
00:57:30,520 –> 00:57:31,520
Okay.

1244
00:57:31,520 –> 00:57:32,520
I’ve written that down.

1245
00:57:32,520 –> 00:57:33,800
I’m serious about these recommendations because I think it’s time.

1246
00:57:33,800 –> 00:57:39,720
I have some on my watch list, like some Chinese dramas and maybe a couple of Japanese dramas,

1247
00:57:39,720 –> 00:57:41,600
but again, I just never get to them and I’m like, you know what?

1248
00:57:41,600 –> 00:57:42,600
This is my year.

1249
00:57:42,600 –> 00:57:43,600
This is the year.

1250
00:57:43,600 –> 00:57:44,600
Yeah.

1251
00:57:44,600 –> 00:57:48,440
For this one, I really just liked it because she came into an office workplace that was

1252
00:57:48,440 –> 00:57:50,120
very sexist.

1253
00:57:50,120 –> 00:57:56,200
They did things a specific way, how the women had to dress, how they had to deal with stuff.

1254
00:57:56,200 –> 00:58:00,200
And she was cute, bubbly and people liked her because she was cute and bubbly and the

1255
00:58:00,200 –> 00:58:02,120
guys would come on and just say stuff.

1256
00:58:02,120 –> 00:58:07,080
And so after a while, I think she had got her feel and her thing was when she got ready

1257
00:58:07,080 –> 00:58:10,680
to check somebody about their behavior, what they were doing or how they were.

1258
00:58:10,680 –> 00:58:12,120
They even talked about ageism.

1259
00:58:12,120 –> 00:58:14,000
They talked about sexism.

1260
00:58:14,000 –> 00:58:18,220
They talked about where you have your leaders who are abusing their power in so many words.

1261
00:58:18,220 –> 00:58:21,080
She would bang her fist and then she would tell them off.

1262
00:58:21,080 –> 00:58:24,280
Now she wrapped it up really nicely, but she would tell them off.

1263
00:58:24,280 –> 00:58:26,160
She would get them told about what they were doing wrong.

1264
00:58:26,160 –> 00:58:30,440
And I just loved it because I was like for it to be an older J-drama, how she handled

1265
00:58:30,440 –> 00:58:31,440
business back then.

1266
00:58:31,440 –> 00:58:32,440
I love it.

1267
00:58:32,440 –> 00:58:33,880
I’m excited to watch it.

1268
00:58:33,880 –> 00:58:34,880
Okay.

1269
00:58:34,880 –> 00:58:39,920
So let me say this before, let me preface my recommendations by saying this.

1270
00:58:39,920 –> 00:58:44,460
Initially, yes, K-dramas grab at you right away.

1271
00:58:44,460 –> 00:58:49,640
And so you feel like that’s where you veer off to because there’s so many of them.

1272
00:58:49,640 –> 00:58:56,100
But eventually, please find your way to more Japanese and Chinese because, and other in

1273
00:58:56,100 –> 00:59:02,480
general, because there’s so much of a television out there and you get more culture, different

1274
00:59:02,480 –> 00:59:03,480
culture.

1275
00:59:03,480 –> 00:59:09,200
Like when you see how Japanese people kind of respond to things, in some ways, Japanese

1276
00:59:09,200 –> 00:59:13,140
talk the way Nigerians talk, very guttural, very fast.

1277
00:59:13,140 –> 00:59:14,140
And it’s fun to watch.

1278
00:59:14,140 –> 00:59:16,200
It’s great for comedy and it’s fun to watch.

1279
00:59:16,200 –> 00:59:22,560
So I would say if you’re looking Japanese, the full-time wife escapist, that’s on Vicky

1280
00:59:22,560 –> 00:59:28,400
because it was just cute and the husband was crazy and they had cartoons and it was just

1281
00:59:28,400 –> 00:59:29,400
super cute.

1282
00:59:29,400 –> 00:59:34,640
Chinese, and I like this show a smidge more than the full-time wife escapist, but the

1283
00:59:34,640 –> 00:59:40,440
Chinese drama, Meet Yourself, because it is so meditative.

1284
00:59:40,440 –> 00:59:44,920
It’s a lot of episodes, but it moves at a nice pace.

1285
00:59:44,920 –> 00:59:51,160
It’s a slow burn romance, basically about a woman who loses a friend to illness and

1286
00:59:51,160 –> 00:59:55,080
she basically quits her job where she’d been overworked.

1287
00:59:55,080 –> 01:00:00,680
And she moves to this village and it’s only supposed to be a vacation, right?

1288
01:00:00,680 –> 01:00:04,220
It’s only supposed to be for a couple of months while she figures things out.

1289
01:00:04,220 –> 01:00:07,640
And slowly but surely she gets involved in the village and village life.

1290
01:00:07,640 –> 01:00:12,480
But it’s like the kind of drama I watched every day and it just calmed me.

1291
01:00:12,480 –> 01:00:15,080
I didn’t have to watch, I didn’t have to binge watch.

1292
01:00:15,080 –> 01:00:21,900
I just caught one new episode every day and I caught it on YouTube and it was restful.

1293
01:00:21,900 –> 01:00:24,480
And I think maybe it’s on Vicky also now.

1294
01:00:24,480 –> 01:00:29,220
So if you have a chance to catch Meet Yourself, it is well worth it.

1295
01:00:29,220 –> 01:00:31,440
She’s not crazy or silly.

1296
01:00:31,440 –> 01:00:34,140
I hate those kinds of female leads.

1297
01:00:34,140 –> 01:00:37,580
She’s capable, she’s smart, she’s thoughtful.

1298
01:00:37,580 –> 01:00:42,600
And the male love interest is goofy a little bit, but he’s warm-hearted.

1299
01:00:42,600 –> 01:00:43,600
The villagers are great.

1300
01:00:43,600 –> 01:00:44,600
Give it a try.

1301
01:00:44,600 –> 01:00:45,600
I’m excited.

1302
01:00:45,600 –> 01:00:46,960
I am going to give them a try.

1303
01:00:46,960 –> 01:00:51,120
The problem is people are coming to this podcast like, yay, there’s a new podcast, but there’s

1304
01:00:51,120 –> 01:00:52,680
two things happening in my life.

1305
01:00:52,680 –> 01:00:56,500
One, at the time that this is airing, Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom will have freshly

1306
01:00:56,500 –> 01:00:57,500
been out.

1307
01:00:57,500 –> 01:00:58,500
So I will be busy with that.

1308
01:00:58,500 –> 01:01:00,680
And I’m like back on my drama game.

1309
01:01:00,680 –> 01:01:02,440
So like, will there be a podcast?

1310
01:01:02,440 –> 01:01:04,600
I do worry about myself a little bit.

1311
01:01:04,600 –> 01:01:06,800
Yeah, I’m super excited about this game.

1312
01:01:06,800 –> 01:01:08,280
It looks so, so, so, so good.

1313
01:01:08,280 –> 01:01:11,880
Honestly, I had a slew of questions we didn’t even get to because the conversation was just

1314
01:01:11,880 –> 01:01:12,880
so good.

1315
01:01:12,880 –> 01:01:14,080
I enjoyed this.

1316
01:01:14,080 –> 01:01:15,240
I did as well.

1317
01:01:15,240 –> 01:01:17,680
And I’m happy to come back some other time.

1318
01:01:17,680 –> 01:01:20,200
I would love to have y’all back for sure.

1319
01:01:20,200 –> 01:01:23,120
We’ll have to do it because truly there are so many questions.

1320
01:01:23,120 –> 01:01:28,040
Maybe what we could do is I will watch these dramas and become more worldly in the dramas

1321
01:01:28,040 –> 01:01:29,660
that I watched instead of just K-dramas.

1322
01:01:29,660 –> 01:01:33,560
And we can have y’all back to talk about other dramas and other tropes or something like

1323
01:01:33,560 –> 01:01:34,560
that.

1324
01:01:34,560 –> 01:01:36,420
But thanks, Song Rae, and something else so much for coming on.

1325
01:01:36,420 –> 01:01:37,680
It was truly a blast.

1326
01:01:37,680 –> 01:01:39,080
We appreciate the invite.

1327
01:01:39,080 –> 01:01:40,320
Oh, for sure.

1328
01:01:40,320 –> 01:01:41,840
Where can the good folks find you?

1329
01:01:41,840 –> 01:01:46,400
You can catch us on every sort of social media that’s out there.

1330
01:01:46,400 –> 01:01:53,440
But you can especially get us by going to our website, blackgirlsoul.com.

1331
01:01:53,440 –> 01:01:56,560
Soul is spelled S-E-O-U-L.

1332
01:01:56,560 –> 01:02:02,360
And you will always find Song Rae on social media ready to talk to you about all the dramas

1333
01:02:02,360 –> 01:02:03,360
that she’s watching.

1334
01:02:03,360 –> 01:02:04,360
Oh yeah.

1335
01:02:04,360 –> 01:02:07,360
We do have not just a blog, not just a podcast.

1336
01:02:07,360 –> 01:02:09,080
We do have a store too.

1337
01:02:09,080 –> 01:02:16,160
Even if you just go to the first page of blackgirlsoul.com, you’ll be able to see our latest blog entries,

1338
01:02:16,160 –> 01:02:20,760
our latest podcast episode, and you’ll be able to click on a link to our store.

1339
01:02:20,760 –> 01:02:21,760
All right.

1340
01:02:21,760 –> 01:02:23,760
And thank you all so much for listening.

1341
01:02:23,760 –> 01:02:26,880
If you made it this far, I want to know what your favorite drama is.

1342
01:02:26,880 –> 01:02:27,880
Does it have to be a K-drama?

1343
01:02:27,880 –> 01:02:28,880
Who knows?

1344
01:02:28,880 –> 01:02:32,320
Maybe I’ll get more recommendations for C-dramas, J-dramas, you name it.

1345
01:02:32,320 –> 01:02:36,640
You can let me know at culturexpodcast on Twitter or Instagram.

1346
01:02:36,640 –> 01:03:06,280
And until next time, keep it chill and keep it nerdy.